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[–] MySubtleKnife 0 points 181 points (+181|-0) ago 

I agree. Also, I didn't like the 100 upvoat barrier to voting at first, but I think it has the effect of encouraging good behavior in a way that doesn't feel too imposing. It's like a reminder right off the bat to think before you downvote. Anyway, it does seem way friendlier over here.

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[–] keeganspeck [S] 0 points 74 points (+74|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Totally agree! It promotes a way friendlier attitude right from the start, like, we're all in this together. Discuss, add content, speak your mind... You won't get buried for it, and those that might downvoat have clearly already proven themselves to at least have added something to the community before being able to.

Edit: also, love the username. His Dark Materials is awesome

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[–] bill.lee 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

That's great! Really glad to see you enjoying things here. Overall, that has been the tone of the community and something really worthwhile to maintain. I think it shows an embrace of a different philosophy: many people have things of value to add and we want to hear these things. I believe this to be in contrast to Reddit: we have determined these things are worth knowing and we will allow you to discuss them.

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[–] bingbong 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

The cynic in me is thinking the friendlier attitude is because of the smaller population on this site as of now. I wasn't there early on in the other site, but I'd come across many who lamented at missing the good ol' days.

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[–] rumathlete_1 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

its like Chris Rocks expensive bullet joke. If you make bullets extremely expensive and some one is shot, you know they deserved to get shot. here if they are downvoated they deserve it.

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[–] m4tthew 1 points 29 points (+30|-1) ago 

I wish people would stop begging for upvoats though. I really hate the repost karma whoring.

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[–] keishmidu 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

I think it's also a product of only having so many upvoats to give in a 24 hour period as a new account. I imagine it would be somewhat lower if chronic voters were able to keep their behavior rather than limit the overall number of voats.

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[–] haveallthebananas 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I've never seen this here...

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[–] Slyboots 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

People beg for upvoats? I havent seen that yet...

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[–] tommy2255 2 points 16 points (+18|-2) ago 

I've never understood the way that downvotes are thought of on reddit. There's no reason why a downvote should be considered a personal attack any more than an upvote should be considered a present. It doesn't mean anything about you personally, votes just mean "this should be higher/lower on the page and more/less visible". I've always thought it was misguided the way some subreddits banned downvoting entirely. It doesn't matter what number is next to your comment or submission, the sorting just depends on whether the surrounding comments or submissions have numbers that are higher or lower.

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[–] keeganspeck [S] 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

Part of the problem with that, though, is just psychology. It's pretty demonstrable that an already-downvoted comment on reddit gathers more downvotes just by being downvoted to begin with. It also invites harassment of that user (which gets upvoted) and a vicious cycle starts. Generally subreddits with no downvote option have better behavior from their subscribers/posters.

I don't think we should do away with downvoating, but I like that it's restricted until you prove that you can contribute to the conversation over a decent period of time. I think that's a solid habit for your users to develop, a habit of positivity.

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[–] codyave 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

votes just mean "this should be higher/lower on the page and more/less visible"

Spam and unrelated comments should be downvoated. more often the case is that opposing viewpoints get doggy-piled to the bottom of the page, which is what Voat is trying to avoid.

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[–] MaunaLoona 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Downvoted comments go to the bottom when using default sorting, and in larger threads they are not visible unless you click read more. Also, comments downvoted below client visibility threshold will not be visible at all.

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[–] Sops 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think a good way to address this is to not display vote totals on the user's profile page.

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[–] Aerrol 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

I don't know, I've only made one or two comments, both of which ended up getting ignored. I like the upvote limit per day, but as a lurker I sort of resent being told that only those who participate enough in the comments get the privilege of saying something is not contributing to the discussion. I'd rather the daily limit apply to both up and downvotes and stick it at that.

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[–] Shhhhhhhhhh 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I've been here for four months.... I'm at 53. I say things but people either don't like it or ignore it... Oh well... One day...

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[–] Phenominimal 0 points 43 points (+43|-0) ago 

I just joined about 20 minutes ago. I really like it so far.

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[–] keeganspeck [S] 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Welcome! Stick around, would you?

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[–] Phenominimal 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I will, don't you worry. I'll spread the word.

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[–] VioVioVioletta 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Might I stay, as well?

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[–] bill.lee 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

That is great. Stop by /v/introductions if you have a chance.

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[–] Phenominimal 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Going now. Thanks

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[–] NewVoater77 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Lol you'll learn

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[–] mvartan 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago 

I was on reddit for four years. I was a lot younger then, but I felt like the site was a lot more mature. Although I'm only 21 now, I appreciated the older userbase compared to its current userbase.

I just hope theres less memes and more discussion here. It seems to be on a good start.

Another thing I loved about reddit was being in a community with a lot of other programmers. I've already experienced that here, it feels right at home again.

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[–] keeganspeck [S] 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Yep, I feel the same way. When I joined reddit, it was basically a site full of programmers and mature atheists. /r/programming and /r/linux had legitimate discussion about those subjects (not just new tech and android) and the top posts in /r/atheism were often hour-long debate videos, not anti-theist image macros. It was how I learned. Now, the userbase is far larger, far less tightly woven, and far less mature. It focuses a lot on flaming people instead of promoting discussion like it used to. I think voat's voting rules will have a positive impact on how people behave on this site as its user base grows.

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[–] LittleBobbyTables 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Funny you say that - When I first started on Reddit about 5 years ago I was originally linked to it by my buddy - he's a network/sys admin and I was in college for Software Engineering. For the longest time I thought it was just a giant BB/forum site related to technology and programming. Then one day I had a look around and discovered it was a lot more than that. (Then I eventually fell for the link to /r/spacedicks as per the reddit right of passage I suppose ... and realized I needed to tread carefully around there from that point forward). Anyway, eventually I feel like the Facebook and Tumblr crowds meshed into the community and it just took a nosedive for the worst and became a lot less mature. Of course a similar fate struck at my prior home which was Slashdot for a very long time until it just devoured itself.

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[–] CuriousGeorgie 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I agree. I remember learning so much in the early days of reddit, and feeling so compelled to check back every day for new posts and discussions. I still did up until recently, but it felt more like I was trying to chase that first high that was no longer there. Or at least came around less frequently. Don't get me wrong, there were still some good discussions up until recently, but just not as often and on the same level as it used to be. Voat feels like the old reddit, but with improvements in some ways. I love it already.

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[–] Sragwaven 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Am I the only person that got their atheism debate lessons from Yahoo Answers? It's always somewhere else, and yet, at least as I remember it, it was a bustling Atheist VS Religious center, where good debates were had, all out shit flinging could break out, and occasionally people even agreed with each other. You never knew when you logged in that day if you would get one too many butthurt conservative Christians reporting you for pointing out a logical fallacy, and it would be your last. It was like the wild west of religious debate.

I just never see it mentioned. I don't even know where anyone else discussed the whole Atheism+ debacle.

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[–] mvartan 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Exactly! The disappointing bit is that this community started with image macros, but I think the system's design will hopefully limit them. I actually wish that upvotes were even more limited, to 10 upvotes + half CCP

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[–] gerbil_in_my_pooper 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I was on the other site for four years as well. I joined a few fantastic communities, and it's really hard to make the transition, since this was part of my daily life for so long. Hopefully my subreddits will come hang out. I miss them already.

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[–] DopeandDiamonds 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

It is so refreshing to be in such a kind community. I have only been here a couple days and am loving it so far.

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[–] Stoic 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

It's refreshing to the point where I had a PTSD-style flashback when OP said: "I almost cut myself on that edge" and "you're so brave" because I haven't seen phrases like that for such a long time.

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[–] bill.lee 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

In many respects, I think reddit almost encourages a strange form of thought...something that becomes only possible to appreciate in perspective. I was thinking about when someone here posted a sequence of messages between knothing and the AMA mods and then some other messages between mods and a user. I was just aghast at the shameless ego...I'd never speak to a person in that manner. But I think that attitude flows from the top down.

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[–] DopeandDiamonds 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I know! I am thinking that the people who came over from Reddit may be an older group which is leading to less garbage comments.

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[–] Sragwaven 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I just read a post about Tetris preventing PTSD. I'm sure it'll help after you get it too. Shhhh, shhhh, it's all going to be ok.

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[–] NewVoater77 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yeah fatpeoplehate really brought some nice folk

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[–] midasz 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think they're fucking pathetic but I just don't visit the subverse.

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[–] Skinnyincbus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Sure did!

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[–] NewVoater77 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yeah it's so much nicer to be in a safe space than that Fucking Reddit site

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[–] MrPim 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

I can be abusive if you're feeling homesick.

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[–] keeganspeck [S] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Give me your worst, you brave, edge-wielding circletroll

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[–] MrPim 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

You Suck.

Sorry man, I'm all out of practice.

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[–] GoodbyeMoonman 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I hope you drop a good portion of your next meal on the floor.

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[–] Penis_Faggot 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

you like that you fucking retard?

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[–] NewVoater77 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

This post is just asking for more negativity

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[–] GetOverItGian 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Speaking of /r/trees, is there a related subverse on Voat?

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[–] ktran 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

im gonna guess it's /v/trees

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[–] OneFifthHaikus 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

All in favor of renaming v/trees to v/marijuanaenthusiasts? For clarity's sake.

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[–] JesusPizzeria 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What this guy said.

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[–] Porcupine_Ninja 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

My theory is that since all of us came here to escape the censorship and "safe spaces" of Reddit, we're more inclined to honor and respect the freedom of expression of others that we have sought for ourselves.

It's nice, isn't it?

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[–] SourceSlayer 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Safe Spaces are often echo chambers, I like that there is a limited or small amount here. Hoping novelties aren't a thing.

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[–] keeganspeck [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think you're probably right. And it is! Haha

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[–] tuneificationable 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is exactly it for me. Trying to create a "safe space" actually causes the space to become much more confrontational as people are constantly looking to be offended. When there are no regulations, the space is almost always safer, because people can't cite rules and twist them for their own benefit. Sure, it causes little cesspits to exist, but at least those people stay in those places for the most part, whereas banning them would cause them to be all over the site.

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[–] Exist2Resist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Speak for yourself you fucking wanker.

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[–] xid 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

I just joined last night and after clicking around for awhile I can't wait for this site to have more content. It is very similar to reddit except it seems to be more positive and have a nicer looking, although vastly similar, user interface.

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[–] keeganspeck [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm with you on that one. I've been trying to submit things when I can, but... Where do you find things? I was never really a submitter on reddit, mostly just a commenter, but I found cool sites before I was on reddit and digg... Didn't I? Now I'm realizing most of my novel internet use for years was funneled through one site.

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[–] xid 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I feel the exact same way, I don't even remember how I used to find out about websites before reddit.

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