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[–] something_went_wrong 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It bothers me that controversial subjects just aren't allowed on that website anymore. It bothers me that TPP is even considered "a controversial subject" there enough to censor. If you go to /v/news though, as of the time of this comment, this is still among the top 4 posts.

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[–] retractableclaws [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

What's interesting to me is that it is seen as controversial. The debate is behind closed doors. We can't influence it. The fact that they're censoring it tells me that our knowledge is still seen as a threat. That means not all hope is lost.

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[–] Subarukayak 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

What the House does is mostly theater nowadays, the real battles are in the Senate. TPP getting past the House is a set back, but it's by no means a sealed deal. The Senate can make changes to it, dump it in committee, review it, send it back to committee, then send it back to house to get the changes readdressed. It's remarkable anything gets done at all.

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[–] past 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I heard it would be harder to get it through the Senate than the house also so I hope you're right. TPP needs to die

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[–] 2716057 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I agree that he TPP is scary, but I don't know if it needs to "die." To me, what's scary is that it's being done in secret... Nobody knows what's in it, and nobody that does is allowed to talk about it. And that's scary as all hell!

But, for all we know, it could be filled with nothing but good stuff. Sure, it could be filled with garbage, but there's the same chance it could be only filled with things to help trade and make everything better... Think NAFTA and how it's helped us, overall.

Personally, it's scary and suspicious that they want to "fasttrack" this instead of letting it go through like a normal bill. Same with the secrecy. Both of these lean towards conspiracy, but I can't be sure because nobody knows what's in it.

I think it needs to be opened up to the people so we can decide, as a democracy, and THEN we can decide if it needs to die or not. Until that happens, I think it should be starred indefinitely in the House and Senate until we can democratically view what's in it, just like every other bill.

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[–] retractableclaws [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I met with my Senator (and some of my House members) in DC. He looked painfully tired, but he tried to smile and talk to us about our issue. He seems like a good guy who wants more jobs for our state. But in order to get money from the Democratic party, he has to do what the Party wants. The Party wanted him to vote for NSA wiretapping, so he did. The Party wanted him to vote for the Freedom Act, so he did. He is a blue tie, and he does want the Big Blue Ties say. Senate races are more expensive than House races. I have no hope for the Senate.

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[–] Subarukayak 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't know, a wrong vote on this issue could be political suicide in the long run. Especially if it passes and ends up like NAFTA where a great deal of manufacturing crossed into Mexico/Guatemala etc. Hell, one of my production contracts back in 2010 was bought out and gutted, their employees furloughed over a Christmas break to return to half of them being replaced by H1Bs, the other half contracted prison labor (cough Art FX Norfolk..cough). Folks I had good report with were calling me looking for leads. No notices, just "Bam! Suck on this!" It was the nastiest thing I'd seen in all my years of working...

If Senators don't know how shitty the market 'really' is, we the people need to do a better job letting them know. If they do know and are doing shit as they do it regardless- well, that's a huge fucking problem that can't be solved just by voting. It means they are no longer holding the reigns and nothing short of armed revolt will wrestle them back.

I choose to be a bit optimistic in spite of what I've read, seen, and know. I don't know if I'm ready to start shooting just yet.

I do know that both my Senators are fucking useless tools and overzealous bigots. (Cornyn/Cruz R TX)

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[–] spets1 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

That site has been taken over by corporate powers. They censor too much political discussion.

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[–] chubnubbin 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It bothers me, but what bothers me even more is that this isn't the first time the American government has sneakily passed something like this during a distraction and no one really seems to notice or care.

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[–] retractableclaws [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It bothers me, too, but what bothers me more is that we (as a country) seem to have given up. Although this country is currently terribly governed, we do still have the laws in place that allow us to make our voices heard.

It's hard because I haven't seen a candidate in a long time who I trust. I tried to convince a friend to run, but he didn't want the headache. Some of us have to get involved or it's going to decline much faster.

I don't have a solution. I wish I did. Sanders 2016? Find a red tie candidate worth supporting? We need a national movement, or at least a regional one. We need an issue to unite the dissatisfied, and volunteers willing to donate their time to creating change, legislative or electoral.

Just kind of thinking out loud. :(

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[–] Catsaber 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Keep in mind, any attempt to organize people against corruption will be attacked from every possible angle. Infiltrators trying to gain positions of power, smear campaigns run in major news sources, payment processors suddenly freezing donation accounts, etc. Spy agencies worldwide have teams dedicated solely to ruining the reputations and lives of potential dissenters.

The organization(s) that form to oppose the corruption will need to be designed to be able to shrug off every kind of attack.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

They're too busy trying to blame all conservatives for the Charleston shooting over there to notice.

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[–] Fambida 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It's a dark sad day when the demofucks are the ones pushing anti-freedom shit like the TPP. I mean, we're all used to that shit from the republifucks, but to see it come from both sides is just depressing. Both parties are now bought and controlled by the 1%.

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[–] retractableclaws [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

This is how they keep us from enacting real change. They make the regular red tie people fight the regular blue tie people, when really, our enemy is the tiemaker.

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[–] Netatron 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

And that's exactly what the people behind the TPP want.

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[–] Idunsums 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Your through the looking Glass now Alice.

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[–] YesImLoggedIn 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I feel silly for asking, but can you (or someone else) ELI5? I've been reading up on TPP but I'm not sure I'm reading why people are opposed to it, and I am confused.

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[–] retractableclaws [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] Spaceape 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I've seen a fair bit of coverage about it's evil European sibllng TTIP.

MSM can't do anything to halt it. IIRC it's all being done behind closed doors no details released.

"legislative arm of the European Union) approved, by a vote of 28 to 13, a position statement backing, with modifications, the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership"

In the UK they usually slide this shit under the door when bad news breaks, or during royal births deaths or infidelity. Now they are just getting brazen telling the public to fuck off it's none of your business don't you have some cat pictures to coo over or something.

edit Just realised this is meanwhileonreddit not news.sorry Point kinda still stands no amount of comment is going to change it's course I fear.

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[–] retractableclaws [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I feel like corporate interests are part of it, but the largest issue is just that reddit is now controlled by a few mods and admins who are choosing to censor people and restrict their access to legitimate news because of the hope of attracting corporate interest. The company that owns Reddit made this choice, and every mod or admin who continues to follow the whims of the parent company because they would rather have power than confront it and lose it.

I completely agree - We should enjoy our community here and not give Reddit undue attention (although this is "/v/MeanwhileOnReddit", so I feel it's ok here). But Reddit is reaching millions of people and it is a platform where millions of people connect and share ideas. They are being influenced by what they do and do not see there. So I still think it's worthwhile to try to find a solution that takes power away from Reddit.

But yes, priorities. Kittens first.

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[–] Bindlestiff 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

if reddit worked the way it was supposed to the community could just make new subs and move there. problem is, the admins and mods wont let that happen.

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