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As with many green programs, they do more harm than good. My company wants me to get LEED accredited, I really do not follow the logic. All locally sourced materials from the same state because of the emissions to transport... unless you're china. If you're China you don't green points for local materials, you get green points for buying materials from the US.
New Seattle building codes: You need occupancy sensors, I'm sure we can all get behind that, right? They turn the lights off when nobody is in the room, saves electricity. IN THE SAME ROOM they now want you to have vacancy sensors... which do the exact same fucking thing. Photoelectric sensors which will dim the lights when it's bright outside... and 50% of the outlets have to turn off if nobody is in a room.. like you have your phone plugged in, go to a meeting, come back and the shit isn't charged. In my opinion, that'll just lead to people daisy chaining surge protectors from the outlets that do work making a fire hazard/overload. The new codes add hundreds of thousands of dollars to the price of a building, the parts have to be manufactured, shipped, installed, powered and so on which cancels out the supposed greenness of it.
In my opinion, that'll just lead to people daisy chaining surge protectors from the outlets that do work making a fire hazard/overload.
That is exactly what will happen. We are troubleshooters. That's how we got this far. We see a problem, we find a solution. Sometimes the solution is brilliant, sometimes it's "hold my beer." Regardless, we'll come up with something. There's no way I'd put up with my stuff getting turned off in my office without me doing it intentionally. The only smart use of that kind of thing that I've seen is my UPS, which will turn off all of the other attached devices when the main device's load drops to almost zero.
Jesus, what a huge pain in the ass. How difficult would it be to disable these sensors, realistically? Say, for someone who knows enough to set tile, framing, most drywall, minor electrical etc - i.e., enough to get himself in trouble.
The new codes add hundreds of thousands of dollars to the price of a building
Not to mention huge barriers to entry. Where I live shit like this is causing a housing crisis: It's literally uneconomic to build new houses and the existing stock is being regulated out of existence. The last appartment I moved out of had to be knocked into the one next door to make it legal to rent again, and the price of the new place (which I found only weeks before my moving out date) was €100 more expensive. It's €200 more expensive now.
Isn't government woderful? Look at all the good it does. It allows companies to consult politicians (whom have never worked in the private sector) on matters that benefit the companies, err... I mean the people.
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[–] christy 1 point 12 points 13 points (+13|-1) ago (edited ago)
As with many green programs, they do more harm than good. My company wants me to get LEED accredited, I really do not follow the logic. All locally sourced materials from the same state because of the emissions to transport... unless you're china. If you're China you don't green points for local materials, you get green points for buying materials from the US.
New Seattle building codes: You need occupancy sensors, I'm sure we can all get behind that, right? They turn the lights off when nobody is in the room, saves electricity. IN THE SAME ROOM they now want you to have vacancy sensors... which do the exact same fucking thing. Photoelectric sensors which will dim the lights when it's bright outside... and 50% of the outlets have to turn off if nobody is in a room.. like you have your phone plugged in, go to a meeting, come back and the shit isn't charged. In my opinion, that'll just lead to people daisy chaining surge protectors from the outlets that do work making a fire hazard/overload. The new codes add hundreds of thousands of dollars to the price of a building, the parts have to be manufactured, shipped, installed, powered and so on which cancels out the supposed greenness of it.
[–] ForgotMyName 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
That is exactly what will happen. We are troubleshooters. That's how we got this far. We see a problem, we find a solution. Sometimes the solution is brilliant, sometimes it's "hold my beer." Regardless, we'll come up with something. There's no way I'd put up with my stuff getting turned off in my office without me doing it intentionally. The only smart use of that kind of thing that I've seen is my UPS, which will turn off all of the other attached devices when the main device's load drops to almost zero.
[–] somethingissmarmy 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
now there's ONE way to get builders and companies looking to other states.
[–] h0m 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Jesus, what a huge pain in the ass. How difficult would it be to disable these sensors, realistically? Say, for someone who knows enough to set tile, framing, most drywall, minor electrical etc - i.e., enough to get himself in trouble.
[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Not to mention huge barriers to entry. Where I live shit like this is causing a housing crisis: It's literally uneconomic to build new houses and the existing stock is being regulated out of existence. The last appartment I moved out of had to be knocked into the one next door to make it legal to rent again, and the price of the new place (which I found only weeks before my moving out date) was €100 more expensive. It's €200 more expensive now.
[–] N0really 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Isn't government woderful? Look at all the good it does. It allows companies to consult politicians (whom have never worked in the private sector) on matters that benefit the companies, err... I mean the people.
[–] christy ago
Residential has different codes, they are strict but they do not have the same requirements. The price really adds up.