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[–] Shekelstein6M 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

Feel free to change my views on this

This is not my job (unless you want to pay me). If you claim to be a researcher yourself then you'll have absolutely no problems finding the research you request. After all, how can you be secure in your beliefs if you've never tried to disprove them.

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[–] TheBuddha [S] 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

That's not how this works. You made a claim contrary to the accepted history, the onus is on you to provide evidence to back up that claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - and there's a ton of evidence supporting exactly what I said. I've been forthcoming and shown you said evidence instead of saying, "Look it up yourself!"

Let's see....

  • I made a statement.
  • You said it wasn't true.
  • I demonstrated that it is true according to current understanding.
  • You said it wasn't true.
  • I asked for evidence.
  • You declined to provide said evidence.

I think that's correct - am I missing a step in there? I just want to make sure we're on the same page. See, I've done my research and this is what I came up with. I've done my job.

As I said, it's not a major concern if you choose to believe whatever. What is important is that I've posted the correction here and provided citations so that other people can see the evidence and reach their own conclusions. Meh... Either way, I think we can pretty clearly agree that the golden age of Arabia is long since gone and that the current area is, as Trump might say, "A shithole."

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[–] Shekelstein6M 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

"As Ibn Khaldun, the fourteenth-century Arab historiographer and sociologist suggests, it is a remarkable fact that with few exceptions, most Muslim scholars in the intellectual sciences were Ajams ("Persians"):"

Thus the founders of grammar were Sibawaih and after him, al-Farisi and Az-Zajjaj. All of them were of Persian descent… they invented rules of (Arabic) grammar … great jurists were Persians … only the Persians engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus the truth of the statement of the prophet becomes apparent, 'If learning were suspended in the highest parts of heaven the Persians would attain it' … The intellectual sciences were also the preserve of the Persians, left alone by the Arabs, who did not cultivate them … as was the case with all crafts … This situation continued in the cities as long as the Persians and Persian countries, Iraq, Khorasan and Transoxiana [=modern Central Asia], retained their sedentary culture. — Ibn Khaldun, Muqaddimah

Now you can do more of your own research, if you want to actually question your own beliefs.

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[–] Le_Squish 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Brah, you just made a claim. Don't pussy out after being asked to verify your "research".

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[–] Rotteuxx 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

They're still going at it & @thebuddha is about to make him mop the floor.

I love Voat, you can learn so much from people arguing.