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[–] indelible-sarcasm 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I'll be the voice of dissent and say Joel. By a lot. He wasn't comfortable on camera (and it showed), but he had a vulnerable charm that worked in the format. Without his influence, the show wasn't nearly as creative. There were a lot of awkward elements in the Joel years, but they were there because they were trying new things. Some bits worked, others didn't, but you were getting >something new<. When they started leaning on the "established format", it seemed bland. After Joel left, no one was willing to change the magic formula.

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[–] Superking [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Without a doubt there is no MST3K without Joel. He is the visionary that put it all together. Mike and the rest of the cast were living in the house that Joel built.

The difference I see between Joel and Mike is one of innate personality. Joel is a creative inventor that happened to be pretty funny. Even Joel's pre-MST stand up was basically the "invention exchange". Mike is a comedian and comedy writer, and just happens to have a natural charisma. IMHO, this better suited him for the role.

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[–] indelible-sarcasm 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Is a tricky distinction. Is there any scenario where they could keep Joel's input and change hosts? I don't think so. To get Mike as the host, Joel had to go. Which I think was an overall loss. Both did good jobs with it, but I think the show lost it's ability to manuvuer after Joel left.

Which is a big deal, really. Striped to it's knickers, the show is a wild and whacky, super low budget, love poem to inadequate movies. It was a good formula, but when things stopped changing, I got bored. It was still funny, it just didn't satiate like it did when I couldn't predict it.

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[–] catfishjones 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Gonna say Mike, bot both were great.

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[–] Superking [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's pretty much my thinking as well. Both were great but they were two very different personalities.

Mike was genuinely funnier. His riffs had more punch to them and there were just more of them (or so it seemed). I also think the team of Mike, Bill Corbett, and Kevin Murphy worked great together (which is probably why they went on to do Rifftrax and The Film Crew)

Joel, on the other hand, while funny tended to have more obscure and esoteric references in his riffs. The jokes worked if you got the reference, but you usually had to be really well versed in 70's and 80's TV shows and actors to catch them all. While the quality of the shows when Joel was on was always consistent, I think Mike had more hilarious shows.

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[–] ggolemg 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

My vote: Joel Joel was to me the character. His particular style, timing, etc was how I forever saw that character.

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[–] Fart_McFart_Fart 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's so hard to choose because they're both so awesome, but I guess if someone had a gun to my head I'd have to say Mike.

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[–] Billy_Crystals 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I like Mike but I love Joel.

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[–] Morbo 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Mike all the way. He just fit the part so well. His easy going style just made him easy to relate to and he was a good contrast to the more biting attitudes of the robots.

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[–] minor_disorder 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Love them both. But I'd have to go with Joel; he is who I think of though when MST3K is mentioned. His deadpan delivery style is hysterical and the way he interacts with the events on screen is also priceless.