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[–] Hewitt 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I am so sorry. For some reason, while coming up with a header for this sub, I was so centered on what I normally see from fellow Libertarians:patriotism. I failed to remember that the vast majority of this world is not, to my surprise, American. For that, I apologize profusely. I am so very sorry for this mix up, and have removed the banner while I work on another, less narrow-visioned, header image.

This was my mistake, and I was the one to put that banner up there. I want to make sure we're all equally represented, and that crazy American politics isn't dominating yet another forum. That in mind, are there any suggestions?

 

EDIT: How about we switch to this look?

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[–] unknownman19 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It looks good, but again, the Libertarian Party logo that you used is the US party's.

I like the dark blue, the porcupine, and vote!

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[–] Hewitt 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

What logo would you prefer? Is there even an international logo for the party? I thought that, since the party originated in the United States, that it kinda was the international logo?

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[–] DuxHispanii 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

We oughta give it that Yellow n' black look

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[–] wmq 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That's an ancap flag, and it does not represent all libertarians – paleolibertarians, minarchists and agorists are libertarians as well. I think the best libertarian symbol is the Gadsden flag.

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[–] ClassicLiberaltarian 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I was so centered on what I normally see from fellow Libertarians:patriotism

What? I thought libertarians were anti-nationalist?

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[–] aytheist 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I would agree, nationalism is a collectivist idea.

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[–] CommonSense 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I would argue that the biggest patriots are the ones who care most about personal freedom and the individual.

Anarchists are anti-state...not Libertarians.

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[–] erietemperance [S] 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago  (edited ago)

To the mods, since "that function is not yet available"

Libertarianism existed before America existed, and it exists in other countries,

Get rid of that fucking flag.

But if you are going to keep it, at least put a bald eagle on it and a shadow of the twin towers burning, maybe even Jesus, even though he is "always there" put him in as well, why not?

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[–] skeeto 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I've had the exact same concern. An American flag doesn't belong in the header here any more than it would as the header of, say, /v/music. It's going to needlessly be off-putting non-American libertarians who might want to participate here.

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[–] zambeezy 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

Feel free to create another subverse and have whatever header you want. Your logical progression is frighteningly poor

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[–] erietemperance [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I don't find it offensive, I just don't see what is has to do with libertarianism.

It could be "Constitutionalism" which a lot of Libertarians are,

But the American flag ≠ Libertarianism

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[–] Edgewalker 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm all for the single image of the earth from space. Shown in the sunlight, surrounded by darkness; alone, free.

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[–] Jivicus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Allow me to chime in here.

I agree that Libertarian is closely associated with politics in the US. I also agree that using a symbol to try to encompass the complete nature of individual freedom and what it means is very daunting; if there were only one. I think we can agree that to each of us, Libertarian means something more than just a flag or banner or political affiliation.

WE ARE LIBERTARIANS.

Do we send pictures of ourselves being ourselves and create a great collage that we update as our numbers grow? Together we create amplified liberty and freedom for all through our images.

Is there an agreeable solution for this most interesting issue?

For me, I would like to see a revolving banner that highlights every aspect of individual liberty and freedom or maybe taking an opposite approach by highlighting all that is tyrannical and oppressive.

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[–] wmq 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The Gadsden flag is close to that banner description. It's hard to find something with more libertarian message: don't mess with me or my liberty; if you do, I'll fight back. I'll live peacefully unless you attack first.

Perhaps it should also promote voluntary interactions, it's not a perfect symbol.

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[–] TeardropsFromHell 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Discussion amongst the mod team has commenced, we will get back to you as soon as possible with a decision. Thank you for your concern and your interest in /v/libertarian. If anyone has any arguments one way or the other on this please post them in the comments below.

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[–] Yo 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

What would you propose replacing it with?

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[–] wmq 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

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[–] zambeezy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Also an American flag that /u/erietemperance will bitch about and post on other subs that he's bitching about it

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[–] A_Scanner_Darkly 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Seems like the best looking symbol of liberty I can think of. Perhaps something about freedom without compromise orr "Free Markets & Free Minds" which is Reason Magazines slogan. Perhaps incorporate great thinkers like Adam Smith, John Locke, Benjamin Tucker, Lysander Spooner, Immanuel Kant, Richard Cobden, Henry David Thoreau, Frederic Bastiat, Thomas Jefferson, Ludwig Von Mises, Albert Jay Nock, Frank Chodorov, Murray Rothbard, Samuel Edward Konkin, F.A. Hayek, Hans-Herman Hoppe, Hnery Hazlitt, Milton Friedman, David Friedman, Lew Rockwell, Joseph. T. Salerno, Robert P. Murphy, Thomas Gordon, et al

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[–] skeeto 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I don't know what the moderator stance is yet, but should they insist on an American theme, such that a compromise must be struck, the Statue of Liberty would be an improvement. It's a more universal symbol of liberty while still being an American (+French) monument.

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[–] MaxBoivin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Portrait of know and influential libertarians...

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[–] erietemperance [S] 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Something more Libertarian and more globally universal.

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[–] veritas23 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

because 'Merica! :)