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[–] heygeorge 4 points 14 points (+18|-4) ago 

subreddit

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[–] WhoIsRamblinRambo 8 points 9 points (+17|-8) ago 

This tells you everything you need to know.

The instigator of this is ramblinrambo3 at reddit. He mods /v/European here after it was banned at reddit. He still runs /r/uncen scorednews with an iron fist.

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[–] redpilldessert 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I like the way your comment isn't censored here. Hopefully u/VoatForFreeSpeech lives up to his name.

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[–] redpilldessert 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If you were in charge, what kind of content or comments would you have censored? Would you censor stuff that VoatForFreeSpeech wouldn't or vice versa?

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[–] twee 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Don't take this the wrong way but, would call an alternate subverse be a good option?

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[–] Goater 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I only just saw Identitarian recently.

Don't know much about the mod drama, but can you just create a new one with the good mods as owners and we all migrate?

I know it isn't ideal, but fuck these dickheads, the sub was just a name, it's the users which make it great.

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[–] redpilldessert 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I run v/AlternativeRight, and I can assure complete utter free speech there (including for far right and far left). However, there probably won't be any need to if VoatForFreeSpeech lives up to his name.

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[–] Timothy1488 7 points 25 points (+32|-7) ago  (edited ago)

The jew lies with no evidence.

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[–] g7krwn 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

Meanwhile we have all of the evidence. Please folks, check out the moderation logs for yourself to see what he's hiding.

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[–] 1973ish 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I need a better tldr.

I'm comfy with NatSoc, but identitarianism isn't (necessarily) NatSoc, even thought NatSoc was an identitarian movement. The sub should obviously be more "big tent". Is that all that's going on here?

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[–] Real_Dindu_Muffins 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Can you break it down for me?

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[–] Tsurupettan 9 points 17 points (+26|-9) ago 

This place seemed to have grown just fine without the alt-kike "big tent" bullshit. Go ahead and keep operating on the alt-kike principles that got you shoahed from Reddit. If you want to embrace the cuck/slave identity please just do so and make it clear to the users who are interested in actual solutions to leave this "big tent" of yours thats eventually going to filled with degenerate faggotry.

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[–] HailMurdoch14 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Yeah, this is something that seems lost on people, Milo and PJW and Cernovich and the Alt-Lite cucks were NEVER tolerated on the old /r Alt-Right. The Swastika was flying pretty high in that sub, and normies like ancaps and the like were coexisting with it. Normies were coexisting with the Swastika and accepting it. It was never as cucked as people try to make it out now. Alt-Kike? That just confuses me. How does entryist National Socialism come off as kiked? I think there is just a language gap, and some people are calling the Alt-Lite the Alt-Right.

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[–] kolarov133 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Jared Taylor was accepted here as well. He did an AMA not too long ago.

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[–] HailMurdoch14 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Can you elaborate on what you mean by Alt-Kike? Are you possibly conflating the Alt-Lite with the Alt-Right? I admit, lots of the Alt-Right is pretty cucky and still not there yet. But they are clearly motivated by the 14 words and the 14 words alone, even if they haven't figured out 88.

I take the Murdoch Murdoch angle. Who is our enemy? Anyone who opposes the 14 words. The Alt Right do not oppose the 14 words, in fact, the 14 words are their mantra. Therefore, from my perspective at least, while they clearly aren't us, they also aren't our enemy.

Are you possibly referring to the Alt-Lite? PJW, Cernovich, Crowder, Lauren Southern, Gavin McInnes, Breitbart, Drudge, Infowars, etc.? Because those people aren't Alt-Right. Those people have actually actively condemned and disavowed the Alt-Right and White Nationalism. When you cross over from Alt-Lite to Alt-Right is when you accept the 14 words. When you cross over from Alt-Right to Far-Right is when you accept 88. Just as the Far-Right should never be confused with the Alt-Right, the Alt-Right should never be confused with the Alt-Light.

I believe that it's alright for there to be flow between these groups, as long as it's a one-way flow that only goes Right, and never, ever goes Left. That flow of people moving Right, towards us, is the material of our future base. If the amount of people we have now is the size of our movement, if we decide that only those that are already ideologically NatSoc are what we are going to move forward with, then we have already lost. Can't you see that? We literally just don't have enough manpower.

I agree with the Ropeculture crowd in that we should not compromise our ideals ever, and that we need to hold on to what we know is true and right. BUT. I don't see why that means that other people who aren't there yet are our enemies. You can either see them as our enemies, or as future allies. If they already believe in the 14 words, then trust me, it won't be long until they are volunteering for the RWDS, once the reality of the situation hits them.

We should hold up our ideas, as a beacon, but not to drive our brother Whites away from us, but rather, by holding ourselves up as an example, to draw them towards us.

I guess my condensed question is, what about White Nationalism and the 14 Words is a cuck/slave identity? The only difference between Alt-Right and Far-Right are what Rockwell called "Sneaky Nazis". Ideologically, these people are clearly Nazis, they just aren't comfortable yet unleashing the 88. They are 14, but not 88. I get that they are only half way there, but how does that make them a "cuck/slave"? And I'm asking in good faith, I honestly am open to the fact that I'm completely missing something critical here, and look forward to your response.

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[–] Juster 17 points 16 points (+33|-17) ago 

What can I say? The white identity movement needs to move beyond cartoonish Hitler fetishism if it's ever going to gain real traction. There is a huge ocean of whites out there who want to stand up for their race, but they don't have hate for anyone else, and won't make that important leap when the movement's focus is on hating other races instead of loving ours.

This is true no matter what happens to this particular sub.

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[–] Tits_out_forTheBoys 5 points 24 points (+29|-5) ago 

Without a healthy hatred of that which threatens what we love, love is an empty catchword for hippies, queers, and cowards.

-George Lincoln Rockwell

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[–] Juster 4 points 7 points (+11|-4) ago 

I don't disagree with you. Enmity is important. But your own quote distinguishes between a healthy and an unhealthy hatred. And a hate which swamps the whole movement and alienates the very people you need to reach -- is unhealthy.

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[–] g7krwn 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Exactly. How can you say you love something if you are willing to sit idly by and let it be destroyed at the hands of (((evil)))?

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[–] Eli3k 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

There you are. Where are you at on this drama?

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[–] Snakob95 3 points 11 points (+14|-3) ago 

You guys are hardly goose stepping through the streets, its not a big deal to tone it down. I love the third reich, but if abandoning it provides better optics and more people to the movement so be it. Were not going to survive on larping, we need bodies. The only way that happens is if it is an attractive brand for normies. Sometimes you got to take the L.

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[–] BettyWhite 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

National Socialism and Hitler's Germany did not hate other races. They Loved their own race. And believed in making it the best race it could be. It was not about external hate, it was about internal love. They did hate the Jews but that was born out of a necessary self defense. The Jews remain our greatest enemies and if we don't address this issue they will destroy us.

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[–] Snakob95 4 points 15 points (+19|-4) ago 

The reason why I dont have a problem with toning it down is because of WHO asked us to tone it down. The ones asking are the ones in the street, they are the ones putting up posters and stickers, they are on camera talking. ive yet to see the ones who are butthurt put in any work besides on a subverse.

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[–] MortalSisyphus14 [S] 6 points 4 points (+10|-6) ago 

I suggest you read RamblingRambos own posts and submissions if you would like an answer to this question. I agree the whole thing is petty and harmful to our movement, but hopefully we can move forward from here.

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[–] Datastream 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Why have tolerance for degeneracy?

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[–] ErrorHasNoRights 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Whatever mods that were on the roll and allowed all that black cock porn to be tolerated for hours are the ones that needed to be kicked IMO. That was unacceptable.

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[–] MariusFrank 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

What degeneracy is being tolerated?

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[–] Syracks 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I keep hearing this, but to my knowledge, no one is censoring Nat Soc shit, or Zionist shit. Seems like there was just some people that didnt want to lose power

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