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[–] heygeorge 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

How did you get the crowd-sourcing started? What size 'crowd' has been contributing? Are there certain users who have made more input?

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[–] voatly [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It all happened very quickly at the beginning. After writing the system, I decided to post the site on some obscure areas of Reddit in order to test the system. Within hours it was being posted by others in major subreddits and climbing to the front page. By the end of the day, the media (New Scientist / DailyDot) were requesting interviews.

The crowd comes in waves for example, whenever a news article or blog is published. For the lyrics, 67,000 unique people contributed and about 15,000 people have voted on the lyrics so far.

The vast majority have only voted once or twice but there are some very enthusiastic participants who have voted on most of the notes and lyrics. You can get an email notification whenever a new word is ready for voting.

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[–] heygeorge 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Ok, that's why this project sounds vaguely familiar.

What do you think of the user-generated melody? Does it move you?

Do you have a link handy where we can hear all of it?

Were you giving users the ability to determine rests or note lengths as well?

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[–] harleyhamada 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I am an academic writer but right now I have a paper to write on crowd-sourced a melody. Where to find info about it? or can you help me?

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[–] breakingpoint 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Really cool idea man. Keep it up!

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[–] voatly [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Thank you!

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[–] captbrogers 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What tech stack are you using and how well does your hosting hold up against the onslaught of visitors. I imagine you have things pre-compiled (assets, HTML, etc) to keep it functioning.

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[–] voatly [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

.NET MVC C#, jQuery, SQL Server back end. So with this setup, the backend is compiled into binaries. Whenever it hit the front page of Reddit, it was a bit of a struggle to keep the website alive. This was mainly due to real-time aggregate queries. I learnt that with high volume you really need to cache data like that.

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[–] captbrogers 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Who do you host with?

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[–] zak_the_mac 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

So what happened towards end of the song? There was significant note variety for most of the song, but then it started to repeat a small section repeatedly, with only small modifications. Did a small group of people take over the voting and deliberately produce that section? It sounded more melodious, until it repeated too often, which started to grate.

Interesting project.

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[–] voatly [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah, the 2nd half of the song was structured with the same chords (C G Am F) but without a change in section. I was hoping that this flexibility would lead to a bit of variety but it eventually got itself into a kind of endless loop. It's not what I hoped for but many songs do have highly repetitive parts which artists can work with. Variation in lyrics should make this more interesting and if artists used different instruments / layers etc, it will sound a lot better.

During the repetitive part, I was trying to think myself which note would sound best next and I would also feel like picking the repeated option ("same note here but perhaps in a few notes time, it should break out of the pattern").

No, I was carefully monitoring the system for fraudulent voting. You can view the votes for each participant on the stats page. There were certainly a few attempts to use proxies etc. but the system does defend against this and other irregular voting patterns.

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[–] BigBlackJesus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Was the chord there first or the melody? Cause some parts of the melody does not match the background chords. Since you are not a musician and you crowdsourced the melody im actually suprised that 80% of the melody matched the chords. That said, you could alter some of the chord so it would match the melody better.

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[–] voatly [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The chords were based on a progression which is common to many rock / pop songs. As the note position moved forward, the voters were presented with the melody in context with the chords at each point.

The notes should always match the chords (in some sense) as they are all part of the (penatonic scale)[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentatonic_scale)). So this experiment was focusing more on pulling the most pleasant sequence of notes out of the given song structure.

I know what you mean, it would be good to add a few chords in some parts but I need to leave the core result as a pure output of the crowd. Artists however are free to make modifications as they please.

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[–] BigBlackJesus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Not all notes in a scale will work for each chord. The scale is like a guide since all the chord tones of the 4 chords all lie in that scale. I used to think the same until I took music classes in college. I hope I don't sound like a condescending douche. I see so much potential in this experiment and I feel that a few minor tweaks would make this sound complete. And before I wasnt saying to change the "chord" but to alter it by adding the 9th or the 7th so the out of chord notes will fit.