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[–] Vladimir_Komarov 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

How dangerous are these chemicals, especially to minors? My local town flipped out about them like it was a new crack epidemic, though it did seem like it was strictly a kid thing.

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[–] fireflydealership [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I am not a scientist or a doctor. Just a dude who made the stuff. Given that, in my opinion they can be pretty bad. Although just like with every drug it comes down to personal tolerance and dosage. I believe you can relatively safely use research chemicals but the potential for abuse is absolutely there and it is packaged without any dosage instructions since it is technically "not for human consumption". Most of the stories you hear about people having a really bad time is some idiot who takes a bong rip of the stuff. IT IS NOT WEED and should not be treated as such. Even though I do see it as dangerous I will leave it up to the individual whether or not to trust the safety standards of a thai "laboratory" that changed their recipe last week when their last stuff got banned.

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[–] Vladimir_Komarov 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Well answered, thanks.

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[–] yousmell_likedog 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

My uncle was a mental heath clinician at a facility for the county. Where basically all the police in a large county bring in the crazies for treatment. Some of the most frequent people in there were dealing with drug induced psychosis a lot from spice and bath salts. Apparently you can have like a 3 month psychosis(hearing voices etc) and sometimes permanent from that shit.

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[–] fireflydealership [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Just to be clear I no longer work in the industry. I last was involved about 3-4 years ago. But from my experience while in im sure todays stuff is vastly different.

Back then we would use a variety of herbs depending on what we could get cheap. Lotus, damiana, something called indian warrior, a few different ones I can't remember. They would come in barrels from thailand/cambodia/elsewhere in SE asia and sometimes the senders would have funny names like Fuk Guy and stuff.

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[–] mastranios 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Did you ever smoke any of it or were you purely in the manufacturing realm?

Were you in one of the states that cracked down on the stuff?

Where you employed there when everyone started freaking out about it and it went viral? How was the atmosphere at work when this happened?

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[–] fireflydealership [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

1) i have smoked it 2 times, technically vaped 1 time and took a hit of a joint of it rolled with weed.

2) it was cracked down on federally. a lot of states had their own laws before the fed but I was in a legal state up still the federal law changed and we closed shop.

3) yes. we mostly found all the controversy amusing and honestly it was great for business. Im not sure on the exact numbers but we shipped a lot more units in the weeks after that guy ate that dudes face in florida and the media falsely attributed it to research chems. it was an interesting atmosphere as an employee though because we never really knew if we would walk in the next day and have to get rid of everything. for the last few months I was there there was actually active legislation to ban our product that was being held up by senator Rand Paul. it was almost like a guillotine hanging by a thread.

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[–] mastranios 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Thank you for the answers.

I was in Georgia when the stuff was first introduced (or first being sold in headshops). I frequented a hookah lounge and they started selling salvia and spice. I wasn't saavy with the spice but had heard of salvia. I was in the Army at the time and weed was, of course, a career ender, however there were no official rules regarding salvia or spice.

It wasn't until I got to Hawaii later in the year that the Army really started cracking down on it (especially our division due to someone smoking too much and falling asleep at a stop sign). I had smoked it one time in Hawaii before the banhammer was dropped and holy shit was it effective.

Thanks again for your answers.

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[–] fireflydealership [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The problem is that there is no "the drug". K2 is made from a huge variety of different chemicals.

Given that, yes. I did know the addictiveness and harmfull side effects of a lot of the compounds that were used to make various brands of spice/k2.