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[–] VillaLopez 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I can confirm. Health care is one worry no one has up here. Looking at it as a service is good way to think of it. Why do you think America is so put off by the idea?

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[–] nmgoh2 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If you see an unemployed 400lb diabetic smoker having a hard time getting up stairs, it's tough to say we're OK paying for their insulin and cancer treatments coming of of an 80hr work week and now even MORE of your pay goes to taxes.

That usually leads into the fun discussion of who should be qualified for healthcare. If an 80yr old retiree is diagnosed with prostate cancer, their chances at survival are almost zero. Should society spend the $500k in treatments to help them die more slowly from the cancer? Or should we cut our losses and wish them the best of luck? Economics says let them die. Once they've crossed retirement, they're no longer taxpayers.

The majority of lifetime healthcare spending is at end of life, and there is a pretty big profit incentive to simply cut that off. Sounds horrible when you're young, but even worse when you're old, but look at the way government has trended worldwide. Don't you think Greece would be considering a "death panel" if they found out it could cut their healthcare spending by 20%?

There's also the argument that "free market" medicine encourages competition. Hospitals will strive to be better and cheaper because folks can choose to go elsewhere. A socialized hospital system would make it OK for doctors and administrators to stop striving to innovate. Personally, this is the most flawed argument, as I feel basic humanity and strive for fame will keep competition healthy for this.

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[–] VillaLopez 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Universal health care is just that. Universal. You don't get to say who should and shouldn't, that discussion is not even on the table. What you are describing is something else entirely.

"Free market" (lol) has been proven to monopolize and jack the prices up. The government can argue and barter a much better deal. At least ours does compared to the prices Americans pay, as well as every single other country in the world with private health care. The combination that works best though is when private and public work side by side, you can look up successful examples easily if you are interested.

In the face of reality your arguments do not hold up well.

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[–] middle_path [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Just corporate greed.