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Evolution doesn’t care about “truth”, it cares about functionality. Genes dont care about truth. They care about being propagated.
If a culture teaches that it is wrong to eat a certain poisonous plant, does it matter whether it justifies this teaching by saying it will displease god and you will burn in hellfire for it, or that it contains a toxic molecule? What if more people will obey this rule if you teach that you’ll burn in hell? Maybe rational thought does not render the best results. Maybe irrational religious beliefs result in better survival odds.
Maybe you can’t possibly perceive the usefulness of “old fashioned irrational taboos” like no homo until homo is so wildly accepted that they are brainwashing male toddlers that they are girls.
You can build objective morality straight from the gruond up from ......
I assure you, you cannot. You’re arrogance is astounding. That’s how we got into this mess. Chucking all traditional morals as irrational. They just got replaced with equally irrational progressive morals. Now everyone thinks lawyers and psychotherapists are the arbiters of goodness and truth. Lol.
I don’t know about East Asians religion but they all believe in the human ability to make conscious choices between good and evil. Zoroastrianism is an Aryan religion that probably informed christianity on its understanding of good and evil and free will more than judaism. Hinduism is a similar religion that believes your choices drive your karma which determines your fate in the next life. Even buddhism acknowleges that there are conscious choices you can make to progress towards total enlightenment and freedom from suffering.
Does Buddhism urge its followers to strive for enlightenment? Or does it say, do what you want, you are either going to reach enlightenment or not?
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I know but I care about truth and finding out how to become a type 3 civilization cares about truth. Truth is God. And yes, objective morality can come straight from nature. God is dead so you better help me figure something else out quickly before relativism rapes good from the face of the earth.
So you mean like a post-Dyson-sphere civilization? I mean crawl before you run man.
Truth is god.
No. You have no reason to assume that. Survival is god. Without survival there is no truth, or at least there is no one around to perceive it. Wtf is objective morality? Morality is illusion. It just exists as a means toward survival. We perceive the world and our choices as good and evil, black and white— because it is far more efficient than shades of gray, than the nuances of reality. You are not equipped to handle reality as it really is, monkey brain. Its not useful for your survival to perceive all of it — only enough of it to survive.
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[–] Helena73 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Evolution doesn’t care about “truth”, it cares about functionality. Genes dont care about truth. They care about being propagated.
If a culture teaches that it is wrong to eat a certain poisonous plant, does it matter whether it justifies this teaching by saying it will displease god and you will burn in hellfire for it, or that it contains a toxic molecule? What if more people will obey this rule if you teach that you’ll burn in hell? Maybe rational thought does not render the best results. Maybe irrational religious beliefs result in better survival odds.
Maybe you can’t possibly perceive the usefulness of “old fashioned irrational taboos” like no homo until homo is so wildly accepted that they are brainwashing male toddlers that they are girls.
I assure you, you cannot. You’re arrogance is astounding. That’s how we got into this mess. Chucking all traditional morals as irrational. They just got replaced with equally irrational progressive morals. Now everyone thinks lawyers and psychotherapists are the arbiters of goodness and truth. Lol.
I don’t know about East Asians religion but they all believe in the human ability to make conscious choices between good and evil. Zoroastrianism is an Aryan religion that probably informed christianity on its understanding of good and evil and free will more than judaism. Hinduism is a similar religion that believes your choices drive your karma which determines your fate in the next life. Even buddhism acknowleges that there are conscious choices you can make to progress towards total enlightenment and freedom from suffering.
Does Buddhism urge its followers to strive for enlightenment? Or does it say, do what you want, you are either going to reach enlightenment or not?
[–] Nukeisrael 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
I know but I care about truth and finding out how to become a type 3 civilization cares about truth. Truth is God. And yes, objective morality can come straight from nature. God is dead so you better help me figure something else out quickly before relativism rapes good from the face of the earth.
[–] Helena73 ago
So you mean like a post-Dyson-sphere civilization? I mean crawl before you run man.
No. You have no reason to assume that. Survival is god. Without survival there is no truth, or at least there is no one around to perceive it. Wtf is objective morality? Morality is illusion. It just exists as a means toward survival. We perceive the world and our choices as good and evil, black and white— because it is far more efficient than shades of gray, than the nuances of reality. You are not equipped to handle reality as it really is, monkey brain. Its not useful for your survival to perceive all of it — only enough of it to survive.
[–] MaxineWaters ago
This conversation has the feel of old Voat. You and @Helena73
are obviously extremely intelligent.