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Incorrect. Disabling parts of the brain with magnets weakens faith in God, as an example. Ergo, faith is below biological function.
As I said before, humans are physical creatures, meaning a union of corporeal / material and spiritual / immaterial. Obviously conscious functions are related to the body; that does not mean they are fully reducible to the body. If you conducted a study where you cut off the arms of 500 test subjects you might perceive a change in faith as well, but this does not prove that faith is reducible to or "below" biology - it only proves what was already obvious, that consciousness is related to the body.
Replicable in machines. Not unique. General intelligence and creativity is still special to humans over computers, but not unique to humans; dolphins are a good example of this, though their creative output is limited by a lack of manipulative appendages.
I am talking about what exists in nature. Obviously those with rational souls can use their rationality to create machines that imitate deliberation, but the dependence on the natural intelligence remains. The same logic is one demonstration of the necessity of a perfect Divine Intelligence in order for intelligences such as ourselves to exist. And yes there are intelligent animals, but not rational animals, except for humanity - for only humans, and that which is created by humans, can deliberate...and only humans can deliberate based on a telos or purpose which they themselves have freely chosen. This is not to say humans can decide their own natural telos -- which is eternal happiness -- but they can identify, falsely or truly, their own conception of happiness and make decisions accordingly. No creature under heaven possesses this capacity to freely choose except human beings.
Becoming Catholic doesn't change your genes, or your brain structure. Mechanically, the brain overrides faith.
That second sentence is a position of faith irreconcilable with Truth. And genes or brain structures do not need to change in order for behaviour to change -- at least so my unfalsifiable faith states -- except for relationally (which is to say the decision made by the will will have a manifestation in the brain but that manifestation will not be the prims causa of the action). Your unfalsifiable faith may be different, but the consequences of my faith are coherent whereas the consequences of yours are not -- such as the absurd claims of materialism I have already named.
Your ideology isn't natural for them
The Catholic faith is not natural to anyone. That is why evangelization is essential. That is why grace is essential.
can only be maintained by constant pushing against nature, not with it.
Again, true of anyone. Concupiscence is a part of man's fallen nature. Life is a constant struggle against it. That is why the Church that Jesus Christ founded has Sacraments to assist the faithful in this lifelong struggle, Baptism, Confession, and the Eucharist most importantly.
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[–] PeaceSeeker 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
As I said before, humans are physical creatures, meaning a union of corporeal / material and spiritual / immaterial. Obviously conscious functions are related to the body; that does not mean they are fully reducible to the body. If you conducted a study where you cut off the arms of 500 test subjects you might perceive a change in faith as well, but this does not prove that faith is reducible to or "below" biology - it only proves what was already obvious, that consciousness is related to the body.
I am talking about what exists in nature. Obviously those with rational souls can use their rationality to create machines that imitate deliberation, but the dependence on the natural intelligence remains. The same logic is one demonstration of the necessity of a perfect Divine Intelligence in order for intelligences such as ourselves to exist. And yes there are intelligent animals, but not rational animals, except for humanity - for only humans, and that which is created by humans, can deliberate...and only humans can deliberate based on a telos or purpose which they themselves have freely chosen. This is not to say humans can decide their own natural telos -- which is eternal happiness -- but they can identify, falsely or truly, their own conception of happiness and make decisions accordingly. No creature under heaven possesses this capacity to freely choose except human beings.
That second sentence is a position of faith irreconcilable with Truth. And genes or brain structures do not need to change in order for behaviour to change -- at least so my unfalsifiable faith states -- except for relationally (which is to say the decision made by the will will have a manifestation in the brain but that manifestation will not be the prims causa of the action). Your unfalsifiable faith may be different, but the consequences of my faith are coherent whereas the consequences of yours are not -- such as the absurd claims of materialism I have already named.
The Catholic faith is not natural to anyone. That is why evangelization is essential. That is why grace is essential.
Again, true of anyone. Concupiscence is a part of man's fallen nature. Life is a constant struggle against it. That is why the Church that Jesus Christ founded has Sacraments to assist the faithful in this lifelong struggle, Baptism, Confession, and the Eucharist most importantly.