https://twitter.com/joecarter/status/1263107710792302597?s=20
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-faqs-what-christians-should-know-about-qanon/?amp&__twitter_impression=true
I’m reminded of the Last Supper when Jesus chose to teach about His death.
Jesus Predicts His Betrayal
18 “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned[a] against me.’[b]
19 “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am. 20 Very truly I tell you, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me.”
21 After he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, “Very truly I tell you, one of you is going to betray me.”
22 His disciples stared at one another, at a loss to know which of them he meant. 23 One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him. 24 Simon Peter motioned to this disciple and said, “Ask him which one he means.”
25 Leaning back against Jesus, he asked him, “Lord, who is it?”
26 Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.” Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. 27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.
So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.” 28 But no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him. 29 Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the festival, or to give something to the poor. 30 As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And it was night.
Why is the gospel coalition truly against Q ?
Are they well meaning in defending the faith?
The article is clearly against us in the Q movement. Any thoughts?
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[–] smikey159 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I'm not entirely sure what the actual correlation is. I could understand linking Q to idolatry, given the vagueness of drops, vagueness of prophecy in a historical context, and tendency of followers to accept prediction as gospel truth... but the article doesn't exactly do that. It mentions a linking to the SRA panic of the 80s today, but that's about it.
A more reasonable "attack" from a gospel standpoint would be a warning to believers, reminding them that the Antichrist will deceive many and be welcomed by the world. Other things to look out for would be "peace" in the Holy Land (a peace agreement for 7 years that'll be broken after about 3.5), the setting up of a church on/near Temple Mount, a global currency, a global church/religion, and probably some other things I'm forgetting. The fact that Q mentions the whole armor of God and that we should be praying is moot; I believe scripture makes a pretty strong argument that in the end times evil will be masquerading under a banner of righteousness. I also urge my brethren in Christ to remember that the end times are going to suck pretty bad - that evil's impersonation of religious dogma will be so good that it'll be capable of convincing everyone outside of true Divine intervention, and that the incoming purge of Christ's followers will be so effective it'll completely wipe out godliness without (again) Divine intervention.
The only thing that truly bothers me about Q is the (para)phrase "saving Israel for last". Scripture clearly states not to fuck with Israel/God's chosen people. Jesus was jewish as far as I know, and though the Pharisees (also jews) condemned Him to death, this death is what allows non-jews (Gentiles, or as voat likes to say, "goys") to be part of God's Kingdom; if I recall correctly, Scripture states 144k jews in Heaven/New Earth - 12k from each of the 12 tribes (and only 12 tribes) - but an uncountable multitude of people from Christ's salvation. This is not to say that the jews are blameless, perfect, or unable to do wrong. They're people, and like all people, capable of being corrupted and doing great evil. The question, from me, therefore is does "saving Israel for last" mean the ousting/cleaning house of bad actors, attacking the country directly, renouncing alliances with the country, or "reforming" the nation into a particular ethno-state? A question for both sides of the argument would be, define "Israel" - is it the government or the people? If its the people, is it those who currently live there, those who historically have lived there, or those who are descendants of the biblically-defined state?
Personally, I see a lot of good things Q could be doing, and I generally support them. However, just as the political Left pushes people to sacrifice liberty for security & "equality", I view the political Right (Q included) through the lens of one day possibly pushing people to sacrifice eternity for justice & prosperity - the viewpoints on both sides are capable of doing good, however there reaches a point where the cost of human intervention outweighs its benefits. How this all ends only the Almighty truly knows. In the meantime, I do my best to pray for others, my enemies, and myself; pray for forgiveness where I stumble, and be thankful for whatever happens in life.
[–] Scrolleater [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Thanks for a well reasoned response.