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[–] InfidelAl 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Another American here... I never understood the "remain" argument. I mean, I know there was a lot of disagreement over individual issues (immigration, trade and such) but it seems to me to be a simple matter of sovereignty. Regardless of whether someone thinks GB should have open borders immigration or a Trump style wall, shouldn't it be British citizens that make that decision? It's hard to fathom that nearly half of a country could agree to give away their rights to self determination to an unaccountable foreign political body. I imagine there's got to be a better "remain" argument, but this just sounds like madness.

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[–] EUSSR-drone 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Just wait until you get to vote on a North American Union, for the San Fransisco-crowd "madness" is all the argument they need.

let's not be racist like Trump guyz, we should totally unite with humanity and let's start with Mexico and Canada. Only right-wing extremists cling to an outdated concept like sovereignty. We live in a new paradigm and all of humanity should come together. We should be building bridges not walls. World peace and Kumbaya.

And at the end of the rainbow a thousand Merchants are wringing their hands as they watch the sheeple give up their only protection against enslavement: a national sovereign government.

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[–] HyperCuriousMe [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It's complex but basically it came down to politics vs economics. Obviously you understand the leave position, but the remain position was that we should stay so the UK wouldn't damage it's economy and house prices. It went a bit further than that, suggesting that the EU was part of a beautiful ideal world of living together in peace and harmony, so the propaganda line was sold hard to the masses. Anyone who disagreed with the EU was a racist bigot who should have died a long time ago (old people) and the young wanted to embrace their global slavery because that represented, to them, the triumph of Love over Hate. The level of brainwashing in incredible, but thankfully it failed.

It's surreal. We are on the very edge of an Orwellian disaster, however, and all credit to them, the British public voted out. It was a close run thing, but it looks like the end of the EU is now in sight. This vote has brought attention to the failings of the EU. It has legitimised the problems of the EU across the continent. Until this vote, any criticism of open-borders was met with accusations that one was a far right extremist. All this has now come unstuck.