Got myself looking more into Snowden and the Limited Hangout technique. Went sniffing around, after reading the name Tarpley, and linked some articles, and highlighted points I found that could be conductive to this discussion. I included dates to give a sense of timing for the progression of Snowden as a Limited Hangout. I am still on the fence about this, but just doing my own readings and sharing what I find with yall. Also, to the user who entertained my ideas, thank you for doing so.
6/26/2002 Spy: On trial in absentia in Moscow, the former KGB general Oleg D. Kalugin now lectures in America.
11/01/2010 Police Deception during Interrogation and Its Surprising Influence on Jurors’ Perceptions of Confession Evidence
2/03/2013 Testilying: Cops Are Liars Who Get Away with Perjury
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In November 2012, a federal judge in Chicago held the city responsible for the pervasive deception of its police department after its officers refused to properly investigate the complaint of a bartender who was severely beaten by a drunk off-duty cop to whom she had denied service. The arresting officers went to great lengths to protect their coworker, and another city employee attempted to bribe the victim into silence. The city is appealing the ruling and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel filed legal papers suggesting that there should be a code of silence about the code of silence.
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The public’s reverence for law enforcement is also to blame for the impunity that police officers enjoy when they break the law and violate the most basic of human rights. There is a shared social understanding that police officers have a tough job to do, that we should cut them a little bit of slack, and really, protect them, Capers said.
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If we started taking police lies more seriously—prosecuting them as we would civilian perjurers—people in the communities most negatively impacted by police abuses (also typically communities with high levels of violence) would get the message that they are being protected by the law not persecuted by the law. People might even develop faith in the system. Until then, it’s hard to argue against the old saying that this is not a broken system but one functioning just as it was created to.
3/12/2013 Has James Clapper been indicted for perjury yet?
- So that he would be prepared to answer, Senator Wyden gave these questions to Director Clapper's office a day in advance of the hearing. Upon the hearing's completion, he also gave the Director a chance to amend his answer. He opted not to do so.
6/8/2013 Britain, France prodding Obama into attacking Syria, Dr. Webster Tarpley
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The British and French defense and intelligence establishment want Obama and the American people to take the lead and shoulder the risk in a perilous attack on Syria, in time to preserve the death squads so they can fight another day in another country. London and Paris, of course, see themselves as the principal beneficiaries of the breakup of Syria. Since Obama is currently blocking their plans, they are bringing up their big guns of scandal, with the center-left Guardian evidently chosen to take the point, doubtless to obtain more attention among Obama’s leftist supporters.
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Any group as sophisticated as Bilderberg knows that its arrogant and oligarchical machinations will inevitably call forth a resistance. One way to control such a resistance is by providing them with a steady flow of disinformation, disguised as leaks from the inside.
6/9/2013 Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind the NSA surveillance revelations
- Edward Snowden is revealed to be the source for the NSA Leaks.-The Guardian
6/9/2013 PRISM Whistleblower Edward Snowden - Manufactured Hero?
- I take Webster Tarpley with a grain of salt. He speculates that all the leaks and scandals of late are a warning to Obama to get with the war program. You never know...
6/10/2013 NSA leaker: are there serious cracks in Ed Snowden’s story? By Jon Rappoport June 10, 2013
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This defense contractor (unnamed) assigns him to work at an NSA facility in Japan. Surely, Snowden understands what the NSA is. He knows it’s a key part of the whole military-intelligence network, the network he opposes.
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But if Snowden was maneuvered, in his career, without his knowing it, to arrive at just this point, then we have a whole new story. We have a story about unknown forces who wanted this exposure to occur.
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6/13/2013 Did the CIA give the NSA documents to Ed Snowden? Jon Rappoport
6/14/2013 my creeping concern that the nsa leaker is not who he purports to be by NaomiWolf
6/18/2013 How to identify CIA limited hangout op? by Dr. Webster Tarpley
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Another important feature of the limited hangout operation if that the revelations often contain nothing new, but rather repackage old wine in new bottles.
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Although, as we have seen, limited hangouts rarely illuminate the landmark covert operations which attempt to define an age, limited hangouts themselves do represent the preparation for future covert operations.
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Assange’s Wikileaks document dump triggered numerous destabilizations and coups d’état across the globe. Not one US, British, or Israeli covert operation or politician was seriously damaged by this material. The list of those impacted instead bears a striking resemblance to the CIA enemies’ list: the largest group of targets were Arab leaders slated for immediate ouster in the wave of “Arab Spring.”
6/25/2013 Snowden: An exercise in disinformation
7/1/2013 Snowden's fate now to be decided by US-Russia negotiation
7/1/2013 Greenwald NOTE Snowden's leak is basically done. It's newspapers - not Snowden - deciding what gets disclosed and in what sequence.
9/8/2013 Shooting the Messenger
12/10/2013 Good Whistleblower/Bad Whistleblower
12/17/2013 Secrets for Sale?: The Greenwald/Omidyar/NSA connection
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Not according to Glenn Greenwald. Back in June, shortly after the initial reporting on the Snowden story and the PRISM program, Greenwald told Buzzfeed that the documents had been beautifully organized, “almost to a scary degree.” He then went on to imply that his reporting on the story would be over in a matter of months, telling journalist Jessica Testa: “If I’m still working on these stories a year from now, I’ll probably be in an asylum somewhere.”
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As principal shareholder and chairman of eBay, Omidyar controls eBay’s child company, PayPal. PayPal has recently made headlines for prosecuting the so-called “PayPal 14,” the hacktivists who staged a virtual ‘sit in’ in protest of PayPal’s decision to cut off Wikileaks’ funding by organizing a Denial of Service attack on PayPal’s website. PayPal was co-founded by Max Levchin, a dedicated NSA supporter.
jan 27, 2014 German interview with snowden
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Snowden: I would say sort of the breaking point is seeing the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress. There’s no saving an intelligence community that believes it can lie to the public and the legislators who need to be able to trust it and regulate its actions. Seeing that, for me, really meant for me there was no going back.
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Snowden: I think it tells a story, and that’s, no matter how deeply an individual is embedded in the government, no matter how faithful to the government they are, no matter how strongly they believe in the causes of their government, as I did during the Iraq war, people can learn, people can discover the line between appropriate government behavior and actual wrongdoing. And, I think it became clear to me that that line had been crossed.
Police Officers/Detectives knows it can lie to the public. What is the difference between James Clapper and a cop lying to the public, under oath? Only one of them is being discussed in American media. Certainly, an individual as smart as Snowden, should of had a breaking point much sooner , if lying to congress is what led him to release these documents.
2/03/2014 DEA teaches agents to recreate evidence chains to hide methods
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The DEA practices mirror a common dilemma among domestic law enforcement agencies: Analysts have access to unprecedented streams of classified information that might prove useful to investigators, but entering classified evidence in court risks disclosing those sensitive surveillance methods to the world, which could either end up halting the program due to public outcry or undermining their usefulness through greater awareness.
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Last August, Reuters first reported on the practice of parallel construction by the DEA’s Special Operations Division (SOD), a secretive unit that includes representatives from the FBI, CIA and NSA. Slides obtained by Reuters defined the method as "the use of normal investigative techniques to recreate the information provided by SOD." But documents released to Ciaramella indicate that DEA trainers routinely teach the finer points of parallel construction to field agents and analysts across the country, not just within SOD.
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The unprecedented window these training documents give into the parallel construction method still leaves many questions unanswered, especially when it comes to logistics and legal justifications. What could not be clearer, though, is the DEA’s stance that law enforcement must vigilantly protect intelligence resources by all possible means.
Some interesting comments which add a perspective to the LH story, found in reddit on February 2014
4/17/2014 Sorry, Snowden, Putin Lied to You About His Surveillance State And Made You a Pawn of It
5/23/2014
7/31/2014 One Year Later, Snowden Is Still 'Very Useful' To Russia
12/1/2014o
I know some of these links are from blog sites, and such, but what I find worthwhile are their ideas on this topic. After putting this together, I am begining to understand how this may be true. In regards to timing, Tarpley picked a hell of a date for his June 8, 2013 article. Next day, the Guardian revealed Snowden as the source of the leaks, on his request. What does that say about Tarpley? Lucky, or he has great insight as a modern historian? Maybe someone gave him a heads up about a foreseeable announcement of the source.
We all stress about money. Follow it, and you will find answers, but find yourself asking more questions. These bloggers, journalists, researchers, and the like, are still part of the system, which uses money as a primary form of action against dissent. If their income is dependent on their writings, research or revelations, then these people can be influenced/coerced/manipulated to believe they are doing the right thing.
These are just musings about limited hangout and the influence money has on those people who have taken up the mantle to reveal the truth. Oh for those of you who stumble across this, the deleted comments are mine. I just added to the OP as add to the narrative i was working on. those deleted comments are now found in this post.
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[–] obnoxious_commenter [S] ago
A question i posed to a friend...
Everyone asks, " What is the limited hangout operation concealing?"
Any international or national non-MSM media that is harmful to US interests and that can potentially threaten control over thoses interests.
In following the events in Syria, the source of the chemical strike were revealed. The plan to strike Syria failed because Russian media and US non-msm was influential enough to persuade the US into not attacking Assads regime. This was damaging to US interests and its control in geopolitics.
A few months later, Snowden and Greenwald begin the conversation on issues that are not damaging to US interests, but are of great interest to Americans. Now, the US is back in Syria, now trying to eradicate ISIS and accusing Syria of more chemical weapons attack.