[–] PhilKDick 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yes, before the Ottoman Empire was the "weak man of Europe." They would capture Christian boys to bring up as their Janissary troops, to use against us.

[–] TheAntiZealot 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They didn't just save Vienna, they pressed the pause button on Islamic invasion. Which can only be described as delaying the end of civilization.