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[–] BrooklynZOGHQ 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Excellent points. People harp on about how awake and red-pilled they are when we've only began to understand how the game even works, let alone play it properly. We're running around like headless chickens talking about censorship and freedom of speech while having no problem being brainwashed as long as it's comfortable. Don't challenge the 6 gorririon narrative you dumb goy, instead worry about not getting knifed or shot by some third worlder.

What a game. I feel MGS went downhill after the third one, great clip.

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[–] RandomAXEofKindness 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I played this game when I was around 12 or 13 years old and it blew my mind. It's really shaped my views on everything that's been happening since then.

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[–] VoutGuy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Nice. Fav comment of the day.

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[–] Atarian 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Zen as fuck.

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[–] goodthink 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

“All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.” ― George Orwell, All Art Is Propaganda: Critical Essays

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[–] pitenius 5 points 12 points (+17|-5) ago 

Is it, OP? Is "everything you thought you knew about the world a product of propaganda"?

I'm trying to save you a bit of sanity, here -- not be a dick. I'm a bit worried about your user name, but I'll trust first, I guess.

What do you "know" about the world? A better question might be "How do I know the things I believe about the world?" A lot of philosophers seem to think there are two methods of "knowing": rationalism and empiricism. The first are things that you can deduce from "known" rules -- math, ethics, hard proofs. These tend to be absolute but based on human definitions. (Consider the whole field of economics. You can "prove" that a minimum wage causes unemployment, etc.) The second are things that you "know" from experience: politicians lie, banks always cheat people, there was a war in Viet Nam... I suspect much of this empirical knowledge is still in place for you! (Yay?)

Sure, there's a layer of "analysis" that is subject to debate. And the plausible conclusions change as you add empirical knowledge. This revelation, however, agrees with a piece of the unshakable, rationalist knowledge: argument from authority is not a valid justification. The scary part of this realization is that much of our mental terrain is a gray area, which we have to explore and map tentatively.

Watch out, though. You can't replace one authority with another and achieve anything. Swapping a Pantaglossian "Truth, Justice, and the American Way!" for a nihilistic "It's all the Illuminati!" is just replacing one authority with another. In fact, whenever ideas "snap" together, I tend to believe it's a sign that my mind is getting tired (usually from constant rationalization of conflicting ideas) and I'm starting to accept whatever shit is in front of me.

You can engineer these moments. If you have ever sailed, you know that the wind applies one pressure, the water applies another, and the vector of motion is opposed to both of them. Now imagine that the "official narrative of events" is the wind. They're both rather changeable. Let your "cultural backdrop" be the water. It's more or less constant. What you believe to be your free thoughts is the "motion of the boat". You don't have to merely accept the "official narrative" -- opposition can be managed, too.

You'll be okay, I think. Did you honestly expect that all people were good? That they were honest? That they had other people's best interests at heart? When has this ever been true? Is it true for you? It's no shame to take your own side in a fight. For some reason, our "cultural backdrop" demonizes taking our own side as imperialist, or "unforgiving" or something. It enables people to lie to themselves well.

Just keep exploring and questioning -- and be aware that if you have a emotional response ("I am just sickened by the scale and depth of the manipulation") that is a) not a thought b) not necessarily true and c) probably useful to someone else.

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[–] cointelpro_shill 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Chyeah. Find a use for that emotional response, Mr paragraphs

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[–] trucking_foal [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Well said. I am frustrated that the wind and the water are, at times, a mirage. Even a sailor knows that without real wind, or water, you cannot sail. I have always been aware that Walter Benjamin's notion "history is written by the victors" was effectively true; I guess I am just discouraged by the long term complexity, and saturation of disinformation. It would be nice, once in a while, to be able to read/hear facts, without some obscuring underlying agenda. To be able to "trust".

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[–] pitenius 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It's cool, man. Hell, in my experience you can't even trust voat. Anonymity lets us speak openly, but also sock puppet. (There's no way in hell what I wrote merited 6 independent opinions...)

Sailors never trust the sea... I think sometimes people try to make themselves the victor by actively writing the history. Don't be discouraged. Just live your life! Collect your experiences; make your analyses and let others find their paths. So... Trust but verify? (I think that was Reagan and it sounds right to me...) It's all a story. And facts can push the truth around. Just enjoy the ride. I've seen conspiracists fall down a dark hole of paranoia. I've seen other people who had been driven batty with lots of inside information claw their way back to reason. (He's justifiably suspicious, so I'll spare him a link.) Don't despair. It's a dark temptation.

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Is it, OP? Is "everything you thought you knew about the world a product of propaganda"?

I think it would be better if he would have said "everything he was told" or "everything he was taught", but he didn't expect it to be picked apart like that.

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[–] smokratez 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

It will take a while. Then you will appreciate your ability to question everything and see it as an asset, instead of a curse.

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[–] Gracchi 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

How long? Because I'd just say its a curse. It wouldn't be if there was any hope of actually using that knowlege to improve things.

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[–] smokratez 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

You need some zen in your life then. Don't worry about things you can't change. Work on that which you can change.

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[–] markrod420 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Theres the nail. You just hit it so fucking hard.

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[–] BiscuitFever 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Some people really can't handle that. Humans have been selectively bred to be sheep. On a smaller scale, a lot of people can't even handle something like a psilocybin trip because it reveals to much.

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[–] JeepGuy79 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Trip balls a few times and your life perception changes completely. I did LSD, Shrooms, E and all that shit for a year in my early 20's. Really opened my mind in ways that few people can come to grips with. I'm 36 now...God I want to trip again but don't know anyone....at least the memory remains.

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[–] MCVoat 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Preach brotha, preach.

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[–] markrod420 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah. Our entire lives are fabricated. The conflict in the middle east is all deliberately manufactured starting waaay back when we put the jews there after WW2. Everything about our foreign and domestic policies are lies. Our govt is not sovereign, it is owned and controlled by the world banks. And there isnt a damn thing any of us can do to change it because the same people have controlled all the money for centuries, and if any one of us were smart enough to beat them they would have hired or killed us by now.

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[–] markrod420 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Ive spent the last decade trying to find ANYTHING that could make a difference. And im not claiming im smarter than you. But if you were THAT much smarter than me then they would have already hired or killed you.

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[–] markrod420 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah but even if you dont say "oh dear" i dare you, no i defy you to make a difference. You wont. You will waste your life and at best accomplish nothing. At worst your actions will be used to further their goals instead of your own.

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[–] goodluvin 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It's just a bunch of rich and powerful people creating/taking advantage of situations.

People don't want to think or make decisions, they are terrified to make brutally critical decisions. Rather move in a herd.

Propaganda works. Interesting to see the media's "narrative" on these events.

Welcome to the "real world"

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