Since this doesn't seem to exist anywhere else on the internet, I figured I'll make it so peoples have a place to go for a relatively current summary/re-cap. I don't have all my links at the moment, but I will edit as necessary.
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I'll fast-forward through a FULL re-cap: guy posts picture of creepy daycare, threats happen, allegations of harassment, reddit closes thread, another person makes another post, more people take notice, crowd-sourced investigations ensue, people take pictures of daycare at stupid hours, call daycare, call business owner, who knows how many emails, and order pizzas, reddit shuts down all public conversation of daycare, crowdsourced investigation continues in the shadows, stupid people keep being stupid, reddit shuts down private conversations, a day passes... and here we are.
I'm doing my best to cover different sides of the conversation and investigation up to this point, but not all of them. While I do my best to take my personal bias toward possibilities out of editorializing, I'm human. There are many possibilities that can be considered that I don't make mention of. There are many leads you may have last heard about I don't bring up, that's because I am not 100% on what is known and do not want to spread any wrong or misleading information. Doing my best to stick to the verified facts we know
The Daycare:
Without a look into tax records, there's little to indicate that the daycare is nothing more than a very poorly managed tax shelter. It is quite possible that they are also embezzling state and city edu funds as well, although we have not uncovered anything to indicate that. The only difficult thing about the 'tax shelter' idea is that the registration of the place has lapsed once in the past, and is currently lapsed. These lapses have led some to believe that the place operates more as a money laundering operation. But, without some insight into public tax records that may be able to put a light on their reported annual revenue, there's little to support that they're laundering as well. If it was anything more nefarious than that (drugs/guns/people trafficking), they've stopped operating out of this building because of jabronies with pizzas and cell-phone cameras. EDIT FOR CLARITY: I'm not saying that there's nothing happening here so stop looking. Very well could be drugs. I'm saying that there is more information we have yet to find (public tax or IRS records to shine light on finances). So, until we can get that information, there are still other avenues, far removed from the daycare as they may be, that are worth looking into. But I do 100% mean that if anything more nefarious than tax/embezzling shenaniganry was happening here, it's over now.
That's the day-care in a nutshell. Oogy-boogy!! Totally worth censoring all of reddit for and shutting down private subs faster than the fappening and underage porn. Let that one sink in.
The Shipping Container:
Now, the last most people heard was there was a shipping container of 16,000lbs of cheap plastic chinese crap and sports balls shipped from a Fun Stuff, Inc. We're still looking into this. Have you ever tried to go through a file cabinet with no filing system and no one was even required to file anything in the first place? It's kinda like that. Not an easy task.
The container controversy
There were 5 different companies all mentioned on the same bill of lading (BOL or B/L). The problem is it's incredibly not common practice for a BOL on a shipping container destined to a wholesaler to indicate a single recipient that wholesaler is sending product to once that container is received. Let alone 5 businesses on 1. A shipper in china doesn't care about where their stuff is destined, they just want them to get to the wholesaler, after that it's the wholesalers problem to deal with. Unless the shipment was going straight through to the final destination (bypassing the wholesaler altogether). Which would mean this BOL indicates over 80,000lbs was in one shipping container (each business had an individual shipment of ~16,000lbs... all in one container? All on one BOL?). A virtual impossibility, ergo this BOL is HIGHLY suspicious.
So maybe they were to receive a part of this 16,000lbs of cheap plastic crap and balls? Not unreasonable to speculate that a daycare would want, say, 25lbs of a 16,000lbs total order and less so considering the volume 2 named companies would want for conference/trade show trinkets. But again, it's so rare to indicate an individual recipient of a bulk shipment that we haven't found one yet, (those are individual links, feel free to check em if you want, we've found 2 that were in chinese, but I think those links are now lost, but neither of them indicated final buyer/destination either).
Some have called the source of the links implicating the daycare to the shipment into question altogether becasue fonroid.com does really weird things when trying to utilize its search and parse its results. Others think that nothing is wrong with any of it and it should be considered 100% proof of shenaniganry.
Container Summary:
So, why go on so much about these BOL's? When it comes down to this container, best I can speak to is a collective shrug. We're just as confused as you, most have even stopped searching past this point. But not all of us. Mostly because one of the sales execs for the company that does the shipping (according to his linkedin profile) used to work for a defense contractor, and that in-and-of-itself is noteworthy enough to keep pulling this thread.
What is still being done?
there was more stuff here but I moved it because introducing SEC violations and connections to international shipping fraud are misdirection from the initial daycare investigation. So that's all been moved so people can stay focused on the daycare summation 'from last you knew' and not new information. If you want, to read it now and catch up on some new stuff we've found, go for it. It's posted in the comments for later if you wish. Or just skip it if you think SEC violations and shipping fraud aren't worth getting caught up on
Here is what is being actively investigate at this moment:
*Looking for more BOLs in the hopes of finding one that directly connects 100% Fun Stuff and the daycare, allowing us to conclude the fonroid.com link is more genuine than is currently percieved
*Researching tax & financial information on the daycare, considering possible FOIA request
*Researching the companies proxy'd by Fun Stuff's registered agent to see if any names connect back to financial institutions in IL or any of the other companies associated with the 16,000lbs BOL, again lending credibility to the suspect fonroid BOL.
That's where we're at. Whatever is going on here, rest assured, we're looking into it.
Summary speculations (aka scale of plausibilities, use at your leisure):
Most likely (and reasonable): There's probably some serious tax-evasion and SEC violations going on and reddit admins are retarded for banning discussion of this subject.
Plausible:Some guy is running a drug ring out of a poorly managed day care. Some unrelated companies are involved in a massive money laundering operation and reddit admins are understandably cautious, but stupid for banning private conversations
Speculation but plausible: some guy doesn't know how to manage a proper tax shelter, and some totally unrelated companies are involved in an elaborate gun running operation and reddit admins are understandably cautious, but stupid for banning private conversations
Wild speculation: Some guy uses a daycare as a front for money laundering operations involving possible black-market guns by white collar guys importing in VA and reddit admins are understandably cautious, but stupid for banning private conversations
WILD SPECULATION: DoD is importing guns for who-knows-what-reason funneled through a front acting as a daycare and reddit admins are doing what they're told
WILDEST SPECULATION: The world's ruling power was utilizing a daycare as a funnel point for their pedophila ring, are pissed people are onto them and are hoping things calm down so operations aren't shut down too long and reddit admins are doing what they're told
I fall somewhere between Most likely and Wild speculation but plausible. The business records are just way too sloppy for for me to be convinced of clandestine ops out of this place. THat would be done through a legal proxy, not this guy. It is sloppy enough for drugs or guns, but it's going to hard to connect those dots. Something fishy as fuck is cooking in Virginia.
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[–] SEC-Shill [S] 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago (edited ago)
-Newer Information-
Here we're going to talk about a company who was also mentioned on the BOL that supposedly shipped 16,000lbs of cheap plastic crap and soccerballs. We're going to mention how this company has a tie to another company who has been found in violation of serious SEC regulations including stock schemes, falsifying profits/losses, and participating in international shipping fraud. Then we're going to talk about the company that actually shipped the supposed 16,000lbs and how, on our initial investigation, it appears may very well be violating some of those same SEC regulations.
This part of the conversation starts to get somewhat benign and you're probably going to get bored, I know I would if I weren't looking into it but trust me, it's critical. One of these other companies mentioned on this oddball container is a financial institution in Chicago called North South Capital (NSC). This institution has on its advisory board, a gentleman who claims to have been a board member of another company, Universal Travel Group (a chinesse based comapny). UTG was recently indicted by the SEC .gov website, you've been warned. The suit alleges that these practices took place between 2008 and march of 2011 (dates important):
* Creating non-existent or fictitious shell companies as customers with no verifiable revenue
* Creating fictitious shell companies as Suppliers with no verifiable revenue
* Making fictitious buyout offers
* Using companies cash to secure the debt of companies privately owned by insiders,
* Posting fake cash and fake revenue in their financial statements
* Indulges in insider trading that is never disclosed
* Indulges in pump and dump schemes
* Stealing company's assets by transferring it to insiders leaving the shareholders with empty shell company owning no asset
* Shipping Auditors must examine, on a test basis, whether a company they audit (the "Audited Company") genuinely sold goods, purchased supplies, received cash, paid out cash, or had cash on hand. (Generally Accepted Auditing Standard ("GAAS") No. 3.) Sometimes, the USA Based Auditor does not act independently of these Chinese companies and actually do not rigorously verify all these things and in most cases forge audit documentations for these Chinese firms by creating the financial statements for them
Now make sure that last one sank in: the inspectors whose job it was to ensure that goods actually traded hands were bought off. Keep that in the back of your mind as you read on.
So the funny thing is, the guy at NSC with ties to UTG- we can't actually find any evidence that he was actually a board member there, outside of his own testimonial/bio blurb. So why say you're working with/for a company that has no record of you working there? Why leave a blurb about working for a company indicted by the SEC, your governing regulatory agency, when you never did work there? I know I'd want to distance myself from a sinking company I never worked for best I could.
Well, the SEC indictment was in 2013, and the NSC website was last updated in 2013. The SEC has regulatory filings (current as of 2014) indicating 3 Executives/Control Persons and 13 people as board members of this IL based company. Their now not-updated-since-2013 website lists 4 principles/management and only 2 board members. So clearly they're still 'open for business' in so much as they made SEC regulatory filings last year, as indicated by the BrightScope website, but there's some wild discrepancy between who they're saying is working there and who they're telling regulators are working there.
Theory: once the SEC indictment was levied, these people got scared and ceased operating out of this particular shell company and moved themselves & friends across various board member positions of other shells This would indicate they're still operating and shifty. The SEC indictment only implicates a chinese based company, not a US based one. Well, if you're working on a scam like UTG was, the only thing these IL lads need is freight forwarding company or major importer in on the scam, to help facilitate dummy transactions. What was that about 16,000lbs of cheap plastic crap and balls?
So, we turn our attention to (cue dramatic music), Fun Stuff Inc. Corporate filings indicate a lawyer in Hampton Va acting as a proxy agent for this company. Not unheard of, but wait, there's more! This lawyer and his firm is also acting proxy for 194 other companies, all proxied at the same address. Again though, not out of the realm of possibility for a lawyer. But... aspies get bored. I dug into this lawyer last night, and reddit purged my notes, so this is a very rough outline of how I remember it, because lawyers and bankers never make anything easy, and the one thing I remember above all else, was that Benny is a dick.
So, let's look a little at Benny. I can first find him mentioned by name as a partner in a suit in 1981 so clearly on the level and practicing, and I know it's him cause the guy is in his 70's right now... 77 if memory serves. There's a former employee whose linkedin profile indicating this firm was still operating up until at least 1991.
This specific firm, WSW&S, is orgonaized under the same state ID 3 times total. The firm is reorganized the first time from 4 partners to 2 sometime in the early 90's. Electronic records starting in 95 indicate the firm operating under the 2-partner. However, look again at this It still names WSW&S as acting as agent of proxy on Fun Stuff documentation, despit it clearly having been dissolved and no longer an operating company, at least not under it's old, or any relevant/legit VA registration. Now admittedly, I don't know this type of business structure, but I'm not entirely sure of the legality of this bit alone. Simply that I think it's illegal ala some misrepresentation thing. Or, maybe, they were trying to intentionally obfuscate their own records for liability in regards to that company?
Anyway, enough fear mongering, WSW&S is on paperwork all the way through to 2007 In 2008 this 2-person firm and ID is reorganized again and Conroy tells Benny to eat it, and walks off into the sunset.
Benny the dick starts a new chapter in his life. He opens a firm with his brother and in '08, for the first time since it was origonally incorpoarated in 1992, Fun Stuff is represetned by a new law firm, by proxy of course.
Here's where it gets really damn interesting
In 2011 documentation shows that Benny the dick is now acting as sole agent of proxy for Fun Stuff, no longer going through his firm. So while it's not out of the realm of possibility for a law firm to act as agent of proxy for 194 companies, it is odd that a lawyer would single out 1 of those companies to act as sole agent of proxy not through his own law firm. It wouldn't be so odd if this business being represented picked up an ex-defense-contractor as a sales executive one month before this switch in representation happened. Yes, Soup was hired in 10/2011 and Benny the dick solely represented the company a month later.
So, let's play a quick game of 'what if'...
Soup is brought onto his new job and sitting around at happy hour one night telling his new bosses of the neat times he had selling "operational gear" to "any uniform" at his last job. This father and son team meet up for dinner the next night and talk. "Hey dad, I was thinking... You know those phoney shipments we've been working with those IL guys running with the chinese? Well, since that kinda petered out in the spring and we already know inspectors to pay off, maybe Soup can get us some more lucrative product back in some dummy shipments?" The dad looks over to Jay and says "Son, I have never been more happy to have you working next to me than this moment right now. Let's get fucking rich!" They talk to Soup to set up the connects, they take a meeting with Benny the dick, Benny distances his business best he can form any potential fallout and they start going into business together. Now, that they have guns, they gotta sell 'em, and the street pays the best premiums. Over the years they slowly work further and further west exhausting contacts until they meet one guy running his own drug operation. He happens to have a daycare as a front operation. What was that about 16,000lbs of cheap plastic crap and soccerballs?
All it takes is to connect Fun Stuff or Benny the dick to a financial company in IL and that little game of what if just became a lot more interesting. What was that about 194 companies?
/u/olag, Took your advice and tried to to a better 'timeline' of things, hope it helps clear things up
/u/MoonBaseDreamer please, tell me, how is this "misdirecting form the daycare?" You could have just said "I don't understand, can you clarify for me" without attitude and dismissiveness. Take a cue from /u/olag. Pleasantness can go a long way.
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[–] cuckname ago
created an account to thank you
[–] jdkell 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Have there been any updates?
[–] xanaxinator ago
This is a GREAT post that obviously took a MASSIVE effort of researching all of the people/public records involved.
Myself, I think that it either involved drugs (likely though a VERY high quantity), guns (just as likely), or human trafficking (not as likely, but still very possible).
You did a great job of putting this into perspective and keeping the timeline as straight as you could.
You are also correct in saying/thinking that you stumbled onto something HUGE as ReddactIt "nuked" everything to do with the entire SLC saga. You flew a bit too close to the Sun Icarus!
But thank christ for people like you. You have an obvious gift for researching and "connecting the dots"...so much so that I feel that you could do this for a living!
If there is anything that you need money for let's make it happen! It would be very easy, I believe, to crowdfund something like this investigation through Voat. I'll happily be the first contributor.
[–] olag 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
You're going to need to provide some hard evidence with step-by-step instructions. At the moment, this smells like a misdirection ploy when the previous theories with hard evidence were for a CIA house (and Reddit involvement only makes sense if it's national security level).
[–] SEC-Shill [S] 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago (edited ago)
I respect your scepticism. I have files to verify all of it. Which files specifically do you think would help the most?
Re: misdirection: See my comment here regarding the FOIA request to the IRS. Outside of that, there is very little else we have available to investigate that place. That FOIA request could do 1 of 3 things
1) appear to be legitimize reportings for a person trying to stay just under the radar to shelter assets/monies
2) Appears to inflate possible earnings/expenses to which we could assume small laundering operation, possibly even drugs
3) WILDLY inflated earnings/expenses indicating a much larger operation to some capacity-oh hey, look, shady shipping company we've already got connections to and the information on while waiting for the FOIA request to go through. Awesome!
> theories with hard evidence were for a CIA house
I don't ever recall that being the conclusion drawn from the hard evidence. The hard evidence just straight up shows a guy who can't manage a business worth shit. I could be completely misunderstanding your definition of safe house though. I'm going off "is a secure location, suitable for hiding witnesses, agents or other persons perceived as being in danger". I remember someone saying "what if we just stumbled across one", But if you're running a front on behalf of the CIA to utilize as a safehouse; why let LLC and other corporate licensing lapse twice? Still, as of this posting, lapsed.
I would go so far as to entertain the thought that Jose seeded all of this so some nut would burn the place because "damn the pedos" so he could collect the insurance before I can entertain the idea of it being a safe house. Not with the way he's managed it anyway. But maybe I've been to deep into it for too many days. shrug
EDIT: I've added links to the post. Would you require more or is that sufficient?
[–] MoonBaseDreamer 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I Agree. This reeks of some sort of Fed/Corporate involvement.
[–] MoonBaseDreamer 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
This post seems like mis-direction. What about the 2,000 lbs shipments a shutdown day care was receiving? The kids going in the place. The fake names on the shipment manifest, the death threats, man this reeks of HIGH UP involvement to have something scrubbed from the Internet that fast. Next.
[–] aleeum 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Yeah why are we ignoring half of the evidence.
[–] SEC-Shill [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I suggest you check back in, I think I've cleared up the whole 'misdirection' bullshit being spewed ;-)
[–] SEC-Shill [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
>What about the 2,000 lbs shipments
16,000 lbs, and I addressed that, for like 4 paragraphs. Also, if you're worried about that shipment, then how is it misdirection to report initial investigations into the shipping company? Just cause I started with the lawyer, named on EVERY corporate report, suddenly it's misdirection? You're logic train has derailed somewhere.
>a shutdown day care
There's no evidence to suggest it is, or ever was shut down. Unless you're referring to their LLC registration lapsing, but that was YEARS before the date on the BOL for the container. Or maybe you meant 'not operating as a daycare' in which case you should have just said that.
>The kids going in the place
I'm not researching pictures of kids since I'm not there, best I can research is where these tubes behind this screen take me. If you're asking for my opinion on that- it was jose feigning legitimacy because he knew internet trolls were stalking the place.
>The fake names on the shipment manifest
This proves your ignorance of the subject at large. Every single business checked out as a legitimate registered business, albeit, some with curious red-flags in terms of business practices. But it's patently false to say there were fake names on any of the BOLs
>scrubbed from the Internet
Your definition of scrubbed and mine are way different. OP of 2nd link confirmed to me he removed the text himself and I have no intention of ever editing mine, so please tell me again how this has been 'scrubbed'? Scrubbed, at least to me, is that all information is permanently removed. Reddit just doesn't want their named tied to a mob going after a day care. That's not a grand fucking conspiracy, that's business & PR. Executed VERY poorly on every level, but business & PR nonetheless. As far as... AOTS or whatever that other place is... while I'm sure they would love people to know they exist, they don't want to be associated with a mob either.
What I will find funny is that after those links are discovered to still be valid and working, reddit probably will scrub them and you'll be further convinced of the WILDEST SPECULATION summary
[–] boatsboatsboats 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
wait didn't wee find out that the bouncy house business was an elaborate front and didn't exist at all?
[–] Atko 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
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[–] Enchant 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
But where do we find this daycare sage?
[–] SEC-Shill [S] ago
He's probably somewhere in the other hidden tunnels that run to the Dulce base.
[–] 000cccpcharm 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
frankly the issue about the day care is not the issue, the issue is about the day care and how it is connected to the direction to this honeypot ...
this is most likely not internet slueths online playing sherlock holmes as it is "somewhat" clever tavistock like mental puppet strings...Voat is quickly seeming like a "nutter valve" implemented to bring CT's here and away from sheepit in order to have a more perfect pen for the unquestioning....they are basically dividing up reddit so they can keep the cat video watchers more where they are, and the people who would pollute their taviganda over there kept here....more dynamics in control through sides....all these places are bs until proven elsewise....problem is you can never really prove it....
about the daycare....who gives a fuck...like all we're all concerned about sec violations and tax fraud....fro fuckin kriest sakes YEAH! GO TEAM...if thats the case they fucking over the enemy...more power to them....
the day the Eglinstock redoshills want to prop me up as the supreme leader in order to cut a deal will be the day I see it with my own eyes
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[–] SEC-Shill [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I'm done poking that bear. I'd like to believe that If people really want to know, they'll find their way here.
[–] ShillWeMeetAgain ago
Yes please do this.
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[–] SEC-Shill [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
>Even if things don't necessarily connect to the daycare
Well, the daycare connection is still plausible, but my biggest fear is that we really won't be able to determine that (or honestly determine much more else about the daycare) without an official FOIA request to the IRS for their records.
I do think this lawyer and shipping company are at the very least cooking their books and at the absolute worst I'll be dead when I get to close.