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[–] thingsarefun 0 points 75 points (+75|-0) ago 

Without the 2nd amendment the 1st is worthless.

The founders knew what they were doing.

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[–] CommonSense 0 points 57 points (+57|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Why is this in /v/conspiracy? There isn't a shred of conspiracy in this. The 2nd amendment is absolutely about keeping government power in check. It never had anything to do with hunting.

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[–] 1656231? 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

The conspiracy part comes in because half our government wants us disarmed and helpless for some reason.

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[–] Sorahzahd 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Ask random people why they think it exists and you'd probably be surprised to hear literally every reason except for the actual one.

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[–] floormatt3 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

If anything, posting it in /v/conspiracy will make people skeptical of the opinion..

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[–] JohnQCitizen 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Berny Sanders thinks otherwise.

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[–] RonaldRayGuns 8 points 30 points (+38|-8) ago  (edited ago)

I got my shotgun sawed off

I got my headlights turned off

Bout to bust some shots off

Gonna speak eloquently about constitutional guarantees to personal freedom.

Yeah Ice-T

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[–] RonaldRayGuns 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

That all sailed waaaaay over your head.

Artist: body count Track: copkiller Album: there goes the neighborhood

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[–] Racer_the_observer 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Like firing off 22 shorts? Mister, thats a load of bullshit. I would like to see you stand across the street while I fire one round of buckshot. If there is anything left of you it wont be breathing. Its called buckshot because it is used to hunt deer. And they are 30 caliber balls, not 22 shorts. Your last sentence is true, what you say is fiction. Ignorant people who get their information from movies and such think a sawed off shotgun scatters pellets far and wide, but anyone who has ever fired one knows that at 25 yards(across the street) the pellets only spread out about 4 to 6 inches.

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[–] Dysnomia 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Technically, the efficiency of the tool depends on it's intended use.

A sawed off shotgun probably won't kill anyone in a drive by but it'll still do a lot of damage.

In war, injuries are often more burdensome to the enemy than fatalities. Though they call it gang-warfare, I doubt they have gang-medics, and I bet that the public hospitals recieve much of the burden of the injured.

So... Technically, a sawed off shotgun could do more damage in a drive by than a 7.62mm SAW, under conditions of warfare.

For urban violence under a functioning state though, John Henry has got a point. A sawed-off shotgun probably won't kill anybody in a driveby.

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[–] Sikozen 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Brilliant.

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

To protect yourself from being hunted.

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[–] barset 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Where to begin... Fuck the police? Or full Conrad bringing it back to Ice's flick surviving the game?

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[–] Survivorofthemeta 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If by hunting related things you mean a huge military that is trained to shoot on sight and doesn't care (obviously from any other mission they have done ) If they kill women, children, animals, wildlife, or any other living or useful thing we have on this planet. Sure! hunting related things.

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[–] dv1155 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I don't see anything about wildlife or sportsmanship there.

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[–] Freakazoid 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Probably referring to the "injuns".

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[–] Tommstein 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That's why the argument that "you don't need that for hunting" is full of shit. The Second Amendment is expressly about killing people should the need arise, not about fucking hunting.

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[–] sodalis 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

As an adamant 2nd Amendment defender I think the language is quite clear. It has nothing to do with the police or self-defense. It's about ensuring that our civilian population, that will comprise the "militia" of a citizen army, should have access to firearms ensuring the best possible riflemen to defend the nation.

I don't want an infantry with one week of weapons training. I want people that have been shooting their whole lives. The individual rifleman is a mighty, mighty weapon. And I want America to have the best riflemen in the world.

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[–] SaneGoatiSwear 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] sodalis 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

We dismissed the militia system after we got our asses handed to us by Canada in the War of 1812. We went to a professional standing army. But that army is still comprised of citizens, not foreign mercenaries, so I defend our right to own and use guns, nurturing and developing that skill set amongst those that might enlist.

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[–] sodalis 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I think those folks would be useless anyway.

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[–] Rellik88 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I cant wait till plasma/laser based guns come out. They will also be protected with the 2nd.

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