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[–] gatordontplaythatsht [S] 4 points 32 points (+36|-4) ago 

https://voat.co/v/meanwhileonreddit/modlog/deleted

The archived link he deleted was the one about Israel shills.

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[–] Turbo_Sloth 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

I personally get really annoyed by Mods banning topics even when I don't like the post being banned. Why can't you even discuss it?

I mean like, I'm pro-Israel (get yer pitchforks) but I'm willing to discuss with people who disagree with me, even when it's vitriolic and misinformed... I don't see how attempting to stifle or manipulate discussion lends to any increased understanding.

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[–] sturle 4 points 25 points (+29|-4) ago  (edited ago)

I was OP on one of them, and it disappeared.

You can not criticize Israel on Reddit, and you can not criticize it on Voat. Same shit, same shitty manipulation, just different wrapping.

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[–] chrimata 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Before this mod is crucified let's consider a few facts:

-The post in question is not on reddit and is a screenshot of an ad

-The title of the post reads like a spam advertisement

-The mod took the time to comment that it was being deleted for being off topic

Do you think it's possible that the mod looked quickly and judged based on the first two facts?

I'm sure they have a lot of posts to sort through.

It seems way more likely than the mod being involved in an Israeli led conspiracy.

I'm just glad that on voat we have a feature like this so we can judge independently

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[–] PrivateJoker 4 points 53 points (+57|-4) ago 

He's already threatened to ban me a few times for talking about that Dworkin cunt from reddit that caused the voat paypal debacle.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht [S] 2 points 43 points (+45|-2) ago 

He's obviously compromised and holds bias' that makes his moderation of that sub inappropriate. I'm personally going to unsub and I suggest everyone else do the rest, there's no need to come over from reddit to avoid this and support a mod over here on that same level. I wont, but it might be better if somebody just made a similarly titled sub as an alternate.

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[–] PrivateJoker 1 points 36 points (+37|-1) ago 

Lets just make a new sub that does the same thing. Fuck him. I think he mods that sub solo too, obviously he's some sort of control freak

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[–] Decius 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

proof please?

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[–] PrivateJoker 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

it shouldn't be too far back in my post history, happened like 2 weeks ago. I just remember i replied with "do i care if i get banned from MoR? Not really"

edit: https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/187798/541850

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[–] gnosticpostulant 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

He deleted one of my comments about Dworkin, too, though I didn't get a ban threat.

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[–] PrivateJoker 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He told me i was doxxing because I said the name dworkin was a play on his last name and had no relation to the feminist with the same name lol

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[–] Samis 0 points 36 points (+36|-0) ago 

This is why public moderation logs are excellent.

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[–] nullninja 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Can't pull that shit on Voat and have it go unnoticed

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht [S] 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Amen to that.

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[–] shh_coffee 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It seriously is. Having mod actions out in the open like that is a great transparency tool for the community.

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[–] darkrxn 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Like cop body cams, public moderation logs may cut down on the number of complaints of abuse of authority. It doesn't matter if it is because authorities are on better behavior or if complainers know frivolous accusations will not succeed. The result is far fewer complaints against authority, it is a win for authority and a win for the subjects.

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[–] Mumberthrax 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/311253/1168736

He says he removed it because it was off-topic. My assumption is that he didn't realize it was related to reddit. I personally don't think anything nefarious is going on here, genghis has been a good guy and has been here for quite a while.

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[–] chrimata 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I agree, people here are being way too quick to judge. That post title reads like a spam ad and then links to an archived ad

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[–] Dantastic77 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

He removed a post of mine for a very stupid innocuous reason, im not a fan.

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[–] Maximilian 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

????

https://voat.co/v/meanwhileonreddit/modlog/deletedcomments

Dun see nuttin dere.

Did he restore the comments after you posted this?

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[–] Nadrik 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Yea, I don't see shit regarding Israel in either the comment or submission delete log.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht [S] 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I have no idea, they were showing before....

Here: https://voat.co/v/meanwhileonreddit/modlog/deleted

The archived link is the one about shills for Israel.

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[–] gnosticpostulant 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It was probably deleted before the modlog became active. A comment of mine that he deleted isn't showing up either.

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[–] Mumberthrax [M] 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

So far I found one post which was removed relating to Israel. https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/311253

The moderator removed it because he thought it was off-topic. https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/311253/1168736

@d23 pointed out elsewhere in this discussion that other posts with the same article have been left up, and gained a fair amount of votes: https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/comments/323206/1239355

My supposition is that this was a normal human mistake. He did not realize the post was about reddit when he marked it off-topic. Though given that the other posts exist, I would not personally see an issue with removing this one since it is less informative than the other two posts, the title is clickbait-y and uninformative itself.

I am bothered by the swiftness with which some here have been calling for the moderator to be removed, before investigating the facts of the matter. We should be careful not to accept what a headline tells us, even if it is on /v/conspiracy. I encourage everyone to exercise critical thinking and invest a minute or two researching something before jumping onto a bandwagon.

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[–] Genghis_Khan 3 points 12 points (+15|-3) ago 

My supposition is that this was a normal human mistake.

This is correct. Well, technically. It should be understood that when a sub is even a fraction as busy as that one, the mod(s) simply aren't able to scrutinize every single word in every single link that is posted. It's just not possible. The link you posted in your comment (the one that was removed) had a title that was much too incendiary (and a flag went up). Additionally, it was an archive link to a website that was not reddit. It was unfortunately a victim of the checklist. The removal had zero to do with any people from any country.

I think this is an oft under-appreciated reality of fairly and objectively moderating anything, be it a subverse, a debate, etc. I simply cannot judge people's intentions or their politics against mine, whatever they may be, because chances are if I do I'll be wrong at least 50% of the time, and that's just not what's going on here. Case and point: Stay on topic and don't break the rules and your content won't be moderated.

A few more things that'll hopefully add some extra clarity. You and others who are actually thinking have already brought this up:

  • This post is a literal summary and boasts a link to the same thing that was previously removed. The title and text in the post clearly relate to reddit.
  • This post of a film documenting an attack carried out by Israel on an American vessel is clearly critical (and rightfully so) of Israel. This was a great post (oh, and it also clearly mentioned the comment graveyard found at its brother on reddit). I upvoated it.

All of this begs the question: What, if any, are the consequences for being a shit-flinging maladroit when it comes to uncovering nefarious acts by people who attempt to manipulate us? It's obvious that if you're the "shill" there are myriad problems when people find you out, but what of the false accusers? Is it really the case that we have to just accept that there will be "collateral damage" (to borrow a fucked up military term) in this "crusade" to bring light to this sort of thing? Had I been weak (but well intentioned) and replaced with some asshole that actually is what people are accusing me of being, do we accept this? (LOL, I doubt it) Yes, these are very much rhetorical questions, but I think they're worthy of consideration, even if only as a thought experiment.

Thanks to all of you who were reasonable and pushed back against the screamers and mud slingers. Let this tragic comedy demonstrate who it really is that we should be vigilant over. To those who are still up in arms and paranoid, I invite you to spam F5 on the mod logs of any subverse I happen to moderate, though I suspect you will be woefully bored (actually, be nice to the server, but check me none-the-less).

This song is oddly appropriate. Lyrics are in the description.

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[–] Empire_of_the_mind 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Wouldn't it be wise to avoid deleting a post that is already generating dozens of comments and dozens of votes? At that point the post has shown that it has VALUE and INTEREST to the sub. If you delete something when it's new for a reason like you offer there's no harm and no foul.

If you delete a post that is active you're censoring discussion.

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[–] BeerBaron 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Just wanted to comment- sorry you had to deal with rage drama. It's a shame that a sub that claims to foster critical thinking doesn't actually do that.

what of the false accusers?... Is it really the case that we have to just accept that there will be "collateral damage" ... in this "crusade" to bring light to this sort of thing?

Yaw. Y'all are evil, agenda-driven, shitlords. Duh. Why else would ya even want to mod a large sub anyway? Gawd! I can't believe I even have to explain this to you. (read it with a slight valley-girl accent, you'll enjoy it)

Seriously though, Reddit has tainted all mods in perpetuity. There are a fair number of shitlord mods over there- and those bad apples have ruined it for the rest of ya. Consider it the lovely by-product of internet anonymity and rage-culture. You opening up a public sub tacitly implies you're willing to deal with shitheads posting bullshit about you. Thems the breaks.

Thanks for popping in and clearing it up though, keep up the good work.

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[–] 123_456 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

OK. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, since you took the time to explain.

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht [S] 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Within the thread he shows a clear bias towards this topic, the removal, and other thread removals are unwarranted and bad moderation. i support calls for his removal and calls to create a similar sub without such heavy handed moderation.

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[–] Mumberthrax 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Would you be willing to link to the instances where he demonstrates a clear bias towards the topic?

Did you try talking to him to find out why he removed it, before deciding that he should be removed/replaced?

Would that not seem to be the rational approach, rather than immediately jumping to the conclusion that he is a shill?

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[–] oaken 3 points 12 points (+15|-3) ago 

Why the hell does this thread have 100 upvotes? Take a look at the modlog, there are no signs of "censorship". I understand the fear of powermods is amplified on voat but seriously guys?

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht [S] 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

If you'd take the time to look at the deleted links you'd know you were wrong.

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[–] oaken 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

I have.

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[–] carlip 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Hey that's the same prick that deleted my comment about trying to dox the people who are DDoSing voat, then he made up a rule and threatened to ban anyone asking the same questions.

This guys deserves to be stripped of Mod powers because he obviously using them inappropriately.

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