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If the Samoan lobby came to effectively control the English parliament through funding strategies and blackmail, and thereby got England to declare war on Tonga, would you not describe that as conspiratorial behavior?
[–]TTrns[S]0 points
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As the precise mechanisms of the Israel lobby's influence over US lawmakers is, as you say, secret, the precise details of the "plots" and "plotters" are obviously unknown.
That said, clearly the Israel lobby influences (if not dictates) US foreign policy in the Middle East.
Perhaps you could now answer my question: in what way would you describe the subversion of (what ought to be) a sovereign democratic process by a foreign power as "not conspiratorial"?
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[–] TTrns [S] ago (edited ago)
Yes. One could easily frame it that way, although they could just as easily choose not to. The facts of the matter would remain unchanged.
[–] shmegegy ago
still, I think it's politics, not conspiracy.
[–] Flesh_Mechanic 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Has anyone ever stopped to think that America is essentially a Jewish lapdog that took all the useful Nazis after the war?
You'd think, given the reported scope and heinousness of the holocaust, that the Jews would lead a revolt or something.
[–] TTrns [S] ago
If the Samoan lobby came to effectively control the English parliament through funding strategies and blackmail, and thereby got England to declare war on Tonga, would you not describe that as conspiratorial behavior?
[–] shmegegy ago (edited ago)
who is plotting in secret with whom to do what?
[–] TTrns [S] ago (edited ago)
As the precise mechanisms of the Israel lobby's influence over US lawmakers is, as you say, secret, the precise details of the "plots" and "plotters" are obviously unknown.
That said, clearly the Israel lobby influences (if not dictates) US foreign policy in the Middle East.
Perhaps you could now answer my question: in what way would you describe the subversion of (what ought to be) a sovereign democratic process by a foreign power as "not conspiratorial"?