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That was the first thing I noticed. He supposedly stood so far back there wasn't one hint of muzzle flash outside of the room. Where the fuck was all the brass? There should have been piles of it. And even a gun owner with little experience knows you don't need more than a couple rifles to what he supposedly did.
More than 200 of those rounds were in the hallway which leaves ~900 at the ground (and fuel tanks). That's better than 50% accuracy at moving targets in a sparsely populated huge space using an uncontrollable bump stock at over 1200 yards WITH WIND. No fucking way.
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It wasn't sparsely populated...People were clustered together in tight groups. Some bullets probably hit multiple people. You are aware bullets continue THROUGH the target correct?
I'm not saying theres not some fuckery with the Vegas investigation just pointing out it's not that suprising if in that situation "Every other bullet hit someone" Even with how shittily accurate a bump stock is at long range. Those groups of people were 25x25 yards wide Well into the shooting.
At the start of the shooting you had people shoulder to shoulder over hundreds or square yards. Many of those first bullets hit two people... It's really not that hard to understand if you know anything about firearms.
This is very concerning. His leg was also under the rifle. Chair was still in same spot in front of window in 32135. And there is some strange bag of the left hand of the body found in 32135.
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Yep. I have a cop buddy who's federal. He said that the top floor or two of that hotel was occupied by high rolling Saudis. I want to see the footage of who goes in and out of his room for the entire time he was checked in. Odd that they haven't shown it by now to prove to everyone he was the lone shooter.
WAY too many people just believe what they first hear and move on with their lives.
@Cheesebooger- Even if there were some truth to MGM "NOT" showing Paddock loading the guns/luggage because of insurance liability. There would have to be some other video showing something of significance and the fact that there is NOTHING whatsoever is beyond strange!!!
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There are absolutely camera footage of him checking in, playing his video poker machine and paying his $80,000 marker at the casino cage. Yes two months out to not have any footage or ballistics is fucking hogwash!!
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I used to run with that theory as well because you assume people got trampled or fell and got hurt or whatever but I keep reading news reports that "He killed almost 60 and shot almost 500." So I use their numbers now.
"Stephen Paddock, the gunman who killed 58 people and injured more than 500 in Las Vegas on Sunday, set up a number of cameras in and around his hotel suite."
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The news used to always call rifles used in crimes ak-47's and pistols glocks. Inaccuracy is just the way of the media, it's about selling a point, not perfect accurate information distribution to the public.
And your example. "killed 58 people and injured more than 500" they say injured not shot. Even the killed 58 people someone might of had a heart attack and died caused by the shooting.
Even if 500 people were shot ~50% accuracy into a mass of flesh the size of a city block isn't that spectacular. Early audio analysis done by 4chan came up with the guy shooting about 1500shots. So figure 33% accuracy and likely it was much higher than that because people were likely hit more than once.
So I fail to see how this is anything other than a distraction from the real shady shit that is being covered up. Things like why did he rent a car when he owned one, what was his motive, and how did he earn a living.
That means at over 1200' away every other bullet hit someone...
So you acknowledge this isn't true yet you post this bullshit anyway?
So I use their numbers now.
Why in the world would you take something a presstitute said as valuable? It has no value, it is only meant for propaganda purposes. You certainly can't use it as a premise for an argument.
Honestly, I would delete this post. It does nothing to further discussion and only makes Voat look bad. Just my 2 cents.
more evidence of fakery I mean its been fucking weeks and they still don't have a believable story. No wonder they suddenly curtailed any coverage of LV details.
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He wasn't shooting that fast. He also wasn't reloading that fast. The barrel of his guns wouldn't have gotten anywhere near that hot. I can shoot all day at the rate he shot and not worry about burning up an AR15. He only NEEDED one AR15 to do what he supposedly did. I suppose if I were him I'd have brought a couple spares in case of a malfunction but he didn't NEED to have 3 at a minimum. He could have very easily done it all with 1.
I'm actually suprised that AR stood up to that. It's not meant to be fired like that and even in combat your not gunna shoot an AR like shit. You'd have to have a seperate pack full of magazines.
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[–] Jimmycog 0 points 20 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago
I saw the Picts of that room there were not 1000 casings in that area.
[–] 11168041? [S] 0 points 27 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago
That was the first thing I noticed. He supposedly stood so far back there wasn't one hint of muzzle flash outside of the room. Where the fuck was all the brass? There should have been piles of it. And even a gun owner with little experience knows you don't need more than a couple rifles to what he supposedly did.
More than 200 of those rounds were in the hallway which leaves ~900 at the ground (and fuel tanks). That's better than 50% accuracy at moving targets in a sparsely populated huge space using an uncontrollable bump stock at over 1200 yards WITH WIND. No fucking way.
[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 16 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago
Even as a gun retard. From the beginning I was wondering how he didn't choke on all the smoke and fall over the cases.
[–] Oh_Well_ian 1 point 7 points 8 points (+8|-1) ago
nearly 60 kills and 600 hits ( remember, many claimed multiple hits ) with 900 rounds from 400 meters
impossible math
[–] Oh_Well_ian 2 points 7 points 9 points (+9|-2) ago
not a single video exists of a victim being struck or a projectile striking terra firma
[–] 0fsgivin 1 point 3 points 4 points (+4|-1) ago (edited ago)
It wasn't sparsely populated...People were clustered together in tight groups. Some bullets probably hit multiple people. You are aware bullets continue THROUGH the target correct?
I'm not saying theres not some fuckery with the Vegas investigation just pointing out it's not that suprising if in that situation "Every other bullet hit someone" Even with how shittily accurate a bump stock is at long range. Those groups of people were 25x25 yards wide Well into the shooting.
At the start of the shooting you had people shoulder to shoulder over hundreds or square yards. Many of those first bullets hit two people... It's really not that hard to understand if you know anything about firearms.
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This is very concerning. His leg was also under the rifle. Chair was still in same spot in front of window in 32135. And there is some strange bag of the left hand of the body found in 32135.
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And all of the camera videos that didn't get reported.
[–] Cheesebooger 1 point 17 points 18 points (+18|-1) ago
Still waiting for all of the HDCCTV footage. There's more cameras in Vegas than anywhere else! Fucking jews
[–] 11168495? [S] 0 points 12 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago
Yep. I have a cop buddy who's federal. He said that the top floor or two of that hotel was occupied by high rolling Saudis. I want to see the footage of who goes in and out of his room for the entire time he was checked in. Odd that they haven't shown it by now to prove to everyone he was the lone shooter.
WAY too many people just believe what they first hear and move on with their lives.
[–] sunshine702 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Sadly Mandalay does NOT have hallway cameras :( But there should be at least gambling and check in footage.
[–] Kregan 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
@Cheesebooger- Even if there were some truth to MGM "NOT" showing Paddock loading the guns/luggage because of insurance liability. There would have to be some other video showing something of significance and the fact that there is NOTHING whatsoever is beyond strange!!!
[–] sunshine702 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago (edited ago)
There are absolutely camera footage of him checking in, playing his video poker machine and paying his $80,000 marker at the casino cage. Yes two months out to not have any footage or ballistics is fucking hogwash!!
[–] ravensedgesom 1 point 3 points 4 points (+4|-1) ago (edited ago)
Jews like chertoff and adelson and trying to profit off this false flag drill through OSI security technology which they are both connected to.
[–] sunshine702 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Thank you John -4chan anon. We are on to them!
[–] Derpfroot 0 points 13 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago
This is some holocaust math we're dealing with here.
[–] dooob 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Reference spot on.
[–] 11168513? 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago
500 people injured doesn't mean 500 people shot.
[–] 11168566? [S] 1 point 3 points 4 points (+4|-1) ago (edited ago)
I used to run with that theory as well because you assume people got trampled or fell and got hurt or whatever but I keep reading news reports that "He killed almost 60 and shot almost 500." So I use their numbers now.
I don't disagree with you though.
EDIT: For example - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41493409
"Stephen Paddock, the gunman who killed 58 people and injured more than 500 in Las Vegas on Sunday, set up a number of cameras in and around his hotel suite."
[–] 11168771? 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
The news used to always call rifles used in crimes ak-47's and pistols glocks. Inaccuracy is just the way of the media, it's about selling a point, not perfect accurate information distribution to the public.
And your example. "killed 58 people and injured more than 500" they say injured not shot. Even the killed 58 people someone might of had a heart attack and died caused by the shooting.
Even if 500 people were shot ~50% accuracy into a mass of flesh the size of a city block isn't that spectacular. Early audio analysis done by 4chan came up with the guy shooting about 1500shots. So figure 33% accuracy and likely it was much higher than that because people were likely hit more than once.
So I fail to see how this is anything other than a distraction from the real shady shit that is being covered up. Things like why did he rent a car when he owned one, what was his motive, and how did he earn a living.
[–] 1764_sugar_act 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
So you acknowledge this isn't true yet you post this bullshit anyway?
Why in the world would you take something a presstitute said as valuable? It has no value, it is only meant for propaganda purposes. You certainly can't use it as a premise for an argument.
Honestly, I would delete this post. It does nothing to further discussion and only makes Voat look bad. Just my 2 cents.
[–] Cigarette5mokingman 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
it also doesn't account for ricochet.
[–] Oh_Well_ian 3 points -1 points 2 points (+2|-3) ago
LOL not a single video exists of any concert goer being struck by gunfire or trampled by the crowd
[–] 11168810? 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago
Not true, you can see one guy get shot fall down and never move again, there are even some still shots of him in the same position he fell in.
[–] Derpfroot 1 point 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) ago
Liveleak has one. It's called "Vegas Shooting Concert Site (Dead Bodies)"
[–] crashing_this_thread 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
Jeez, they really are making a lot of mistakes.
[–] ravensedgesom 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
more evidence of fakery I mean its been fucking weeks and they still don't have a believable story. No wonder they suddenly curtailed any coverage of LV details.
[–] Oh_Well_ian 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
far more effort was put into collecting money for 'victims' than seeking JUSTICE for them
[–] ravensedgesom 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
interesting how that works isn't it?
[–] bigoak9 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
this narrative stinks to high heaven , just tell the fucking truth for once
[–] Othmar_Regin 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw (ULTIMATE AR-15 MELTDOWN) - took about 5min to break an AR-15 with full auto so he would have to have used 3 guns minimum
[–] 11168452? [S] 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
He wasn't shooting that fast. He also wasn't reloading that fast. The barrel of his guns wouldn't have gotten anywhere near that hot. I can shoot all day at the rate he shot and not worry about burning up an AR15. He only NEEDED one AR15 to do what he supposedly did. I suppose if I were him I'd have brought a couple spares in case of a malfunction but he didn't NEED to have 3 at a minimum. He could have very easily done it all with 1.
[–] 0fsgivin 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I'm actually suprised that AR stood up to that. It's not meant to be fired like that and even in combat your not gunna shoot an AR like shit. You'd have to have a seperate pack full of magazines.
[–] ravensedgesom 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago (edited ago)
all with shitty bumpfire. AR's heat up really easily unlike an AKM.