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[–] srgmpdns 0 points 32 points (+32|-0) ago 

Reddit stopped being a discussion forum a while ago, now it's an advertising platform.

When people are free to express themselves, the majority of them express conservative views, not liberal views.

Good point.

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[–] Grifter42 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Voat is changing too.

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[–] HarlandKornfeld14 3 points 9 points (+12|-3) ago 

The liberal fascists

Whoa bruh, you were so close. Stop calling 'liberals' fascists.

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[–] cstrafe 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Why? They're certainly behaving that way: attempt to shut down free speech, react violently against people with differing opinions...

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[–] HarlandKornfeld14 1 points 26 points (+27|-1) ago 

attempt to shut down free speech, react violently against people with differing opinions...

That's Bolshevism. Call a spade a spade.

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[–] BiscuitFever 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The people we call Liberals hold no actual Liberal beliefs. They're Bolsheviks.

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[–] 10016380? 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Ok, let's call them authoritarians then. Because that is how they are behaving these days. Trying to control speech. Trying to control language. Ultimately these are attempts at reward/punishment of self and other; a type of social manipulation whose aim is to control the spectrum and flavor of discourse in America. That is called authoritarianism.

Fascism is really corporatism, so at first glance you would be right that the left isn't necessarily fascist, though they share the same qualities of high-authoritarianism. Fascism is where an oligarchy--a collusion of corporations--act as gentry to a despot and then become the sounding board and the voice of the despot. Thus, fascism is more akin to monarchism, a strict class division between the 99 and 1%, a classism of privileged aristocrats and the underclass

But the reason people say the left is now fascist is because they are siding with corporations, which obviously are tethered to a corrupt deepstate shadowgovernment. Case in point is amazon, a virtual monopoly on retail marketplaces; and the healthcare system--an oligarchy of public/private hospital systems, practitioners, insurance and pharma industries that have managed to lobby themselves into legalizing and legitimizing racketeering...this is called totalitarianism...health industry totalitarianism

and just last week the congress rejected single payer because they knew corporations would have to pay their fair share (wasn't that bernie sanders' catchphrase? Well he voted against it too--hypocrite!)

In essence, this means (among many other examples) that the left supports the establishment corporatism in america--the deepstate oligarchy

That's why they are fascist

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[–] White-Supremacist 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Ok, let's call them authoritarians then. Because that is how they are behaving these days.

I think what you are thinking of are those who have been indoctrinated by cultural marxist post modernism.

https://youtu.be/wLoG9zBvvLQYouTube

Cultural marxist post modernism (CAMPM). CAMPM makes it impossible to have logical factual discussions with it's subscribers. Their obsessive focus is oppressor versus the oppressed. "DESTROY THE PATRIARCHY!" This is to say, death to white males, white people, or any and especially white people with so much as a penny in their pockets. End goal, complete white genocide, install communist dictatorship.

I like a lot of what you are describing though and I suspect I agree.

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[–] 10024866? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Its always been like that. The only question is how many of us are they going to kill this time.

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[–] vivalad 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

good seeing you here, 911. good points as always. here's to keeping your sub (one of the few that isn't astroturfed w/bs) under the radar. might want to change your voat bio.

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[–] HarlandKornfeld14 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Indeed, I used to hold many of the similar views to justify why the Left is fascist. But I have realized that I confused corporatism with corpocracy (rule by business interests).

The actual purpose of corporatism is for the government to serve as an honest intermediary between business interests and the working class, not as a bludgeon for business interests to use against the working class.

Furthermore, Fascism in nationalist, whereas the Left is internationalist and in favor of open borders. The Fascist believes in nationalism which is of course opposed to internationalism. Fascism also advocates national self-sufficiency (autarky), which is opposed to globalization.

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[–] ardvarcus [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The liberal fascists

Whoa bruh, you were so close. Stop calling 'liberals' fascists.

When you hear the word "fascist" what image comes to mind? It's Hitler's brownshirts, walking along the sidewalks of Berlin in groups of four, looking for communist radicals to beat into silence with clubs. But it might be worth reminding you that the Nazis were socialists -- their party was the National Socialist Party. The way liberals are behaving on the streets of America today parallels the brownshirts of Germany in the 1930s. They burn books, or at least conspire to prevent books from being published, which amounts to the same thing (Milo's book Dangerous is an obvious example). They try to heckle people into silence, but if that doesn't work they resort to physical violence. They attack businesses and occupy government offices. They smash windows.They demonize and try to intimidate the police, which as often as not are helping them, thanks to the liberal politicians who control the police locally, as in Berkeley. They light fires in the street and have parades through the night that turn into riots. They try to get anyone who criticizes them removed from his job. What is there about this behavior that isn't fascist?

I have no intention of stopping calling these leftist thugs "liberal fascists." It's a term that suits their mentality and their actions perfectly.

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[–] HarlandKornfeld14 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

When you hear the word "fascist" what image comes to mind? It's Hitler's brownshirts, walking along the sidewalks of Berlin in groups of four, looking for communist radicals to beat into silence with clubs

Yeah, political violence isn't inherently fascist. If we look at the Interbellum Period the reactionary Freikorps employed similar tactics of street violence, actual monarchists in France and Spain also engaged in street battles, but they didn't have the same program as the fascists. And of course there were Bolshevists and Anarchists engaged in political violence.

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[–] White-Supremacist 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The terms liberal, conservative, democrat and republic have lost their meaning. Really, I've never known there to be a concrete meaning. I've asked many what these terms mean, the definition is vague and varies immensely from person to person. Political and economic topics are massive and to say you can summarize a persons view on these ideas with a single word is likely really harmful.

https://kek.gg/i/5pv7jf.jpg < When I hear those terms I think of that image. Really, it's absurdly likely that the majority of all those who follow these terms hold near identical views on so many topics.

https://youtu.be/-MzxC8Mqupw?t=503 Political spectrum.

https://youtu.be/-MzxC8Mqupw?t=1141 Economic spectrum.

These two chunks of video really clear up a lot of key misunderstandings, and if you want to describe yourself or someone, perhaps this spectrum applied to individual issues on a 1-10 scale might be vastly more effective in discussing things with each other.

https://youtu.be/4ccwWh39P2E

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[–] jerry 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

No,you are right for the wrong reason. Vote has lots of different people, but most are generally right wing because these views get you cast out from other online forums. Even just playing Xbox with my friends, random people chastise the fuck out of you in public lobbies for being right wing. On GtA there is Anti-Trump gangs. For this reasOn, the right wing thinkers had to find a place that wasn't shit so that they could have a normal forum. Just lots of right wing people found here. There are liberals here too, just not many because they generally congregate in packs like any group. Right now the liberal hive is plebbit

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[–] 10019073? 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I come here to voat because I can't express most things to my friends and family. My sister blew up tonight because I asked her to explain her understanding of "The Russian Narrative" to me. She exploded because my use of the word narrative implied that I "didn't believe it." Most people I talk to in real life have these emotional outbursts where politics is concerned.

Voat can be a tough pill to swallow and I've blocked about 50 subverses, but I come here because there's literally nowhere else to have a real conversation.

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[–] ardvarcus [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't see it this way. Voat is a free and open forum. What we are getting is a genuine expression of popular opinion, unfiltered by censorship, bregading, moderator manipulation, or vote buying. The liberals are free to come here and express their opinions, but unlike other forums, they are not free to manipulate or suppress the opinions of conservatives. The result of this freedom is what we see on Voat.

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[–] we-lost-a-giant 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

People are more nationalist and "racist" than they would ever admit. People just love to conform, especially women. I made a dating profile that is verbosely "alt-right" and I get hit up by women regularly, more often than I have in the past that's for sure. Just yesterday I got a message from a teacher who said she holds the exact same racial views but never speaks about it. This is an ESL teacher too so she's not working with white students. Now to clarify, I'm not prejudiced, I treat people as the individuals they are but I treat patterns and data with no regard for politeness and conformity.

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[–] Caesarkid1 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The modern conservatives are more like classical liberals than modern liberals are.

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well, the "libertarian branch" is, but i wouldn't say that the establishment (which is the majority, such as mccain, ryan, etc.) are.

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[–] UglyTruth 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The liberal vs conservative political axis is pretty much irrelevant when compared to the politics of libertarianism vs statism.

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[–] abc_xyz 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

When the banks shut down, it is imperative that we work to calm, and point out crime (or fight to defend if safe/possible).

Causes and protests and dire situations serve as easy platforms for TPTB to show violence on mainstream news to skew public opinion, to maintain fear in the populace, to make people think "wow the members here are crazy".

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[–] Ywis 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I don't think the west wants to prove the holocaust was fake but also recreate it. That's pretty much just voat and daily Stormer..

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[–] SexMachine 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The thing about voat is that we're a small sample size, and everyone that is afraid of "offensive" opinions leaves.

I noticed this at least 2 years ago when I started getting involved with image boards. Any free and open online community always skews right. The only way left wing communities survive online is with heavy censorship and moderation, where the narrative is protected.

Last week I was banned from 3-4 subreddits for copypasting my comment on the trans military ban:

Combat veteran here. I agree with this.

A war zone is a shitty shitty place. I've gone weeks without a shower, in the middle of the desert, in the most filthiest conditions.

If there's a soldier who needs daily hormone treatment, and to gage their nuvagina for 5 hours a day, it's not going to happen in a war zone. Even a year after surgery, they still have to take hormones and gage their nuvagina. What happens when they aren't able to? Does their nuvagina seal up? Do they return to their original condition without access to their hormones?

These are things that the battlefield doesn't take into consideration.

Reasonable comment, upvoted everywhere I posted it, yet removed and banned from multiple subreddits. That's the only way to protect the narrative, the only way it can survive. With people speaking openly, they'll be able to deconstruct it, and offer alternative opinions that make more sense.

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[–] ardvarcus [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Any free and open online community always skews right.

Maybe it isn't skewing at all. Maybe it's just expressing accurately the popular sentiment, which is uncommon in our leftist-controlled media world.

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[–] MillstoneNecklace 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Catholic monarchy or nothing! Who's with me? Deus vult!

Yeah... probably not that many on Voat who share my political leanings.

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[–] kevdude 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I'm with you on retaking Constantinople and pushing the filthy Turks back into Asia, but seriously fuck the pope. Fuck him and his stupid hat.

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[–] Skyrock 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There is the fine European tradition of raising counter-popes and using them to replace the current pope.

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[–] MillstoneNecklace 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Whatever you say. He's the successor of Peter and without him, it's all either Protestant idiocy or Orthodox stoicism.

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