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[–] k_digi ago  (edited ago)

Incorrect, on a number of levels:

The context of "automation" is put into the current framework, this is your error in thinking.

  • automation will allow for decentralized self sufficiency.

  • once the first automated micro "farm" starts production, then it will provide excess.

  • then so on and so forth, the only simple requirements are freedom of certain keys, I.e enrgy etc.

  • automation won't occur without these.

  • the current framework wont fit an automation system.

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[–] mojo4567 [S] ago  (edited ago)

okay i will give you the point that as of now, certain barriers like energy, space, and cost will deter automation, you are right on that, our current world will not support the type of automation i am talking of. The future however, is anyones guess. However

  1. Decentralized self sufficiency, yes, but the whole point of capitalism is that more people lose so that some can win (even if the ratio is 49.99 to 50.01), which means that in some shape or form there will be costs associated with "self sufficiency" (i know seems like an oxymoron, but its not) that will be an expense, even if that expense is less than a penny.

  2. Cost of food does not impact birth rates noticeably, the biggest indicators are expenses (cost of living) and Income (unemployment)

  3. therefore, in a capitalist society with expenses and income, it does not matter how self sufficient the citizens are, there will still be a natural decline in population

Now as a redditor in the comments below stated, all of this is true only if we continue with the current system. once communism or socialism takes over, then these statements are no longer true, and everything you said above is true.

This argument was all based on what i synthesized from the excerpts you gave me however. If you ment something entirely diffrent then what i took away please say so :)

EDIT: Also, i do agree though that in some form decentralization is the only way to go from here. I am an anarcho socialist though, so that is not a dirty word :)

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[–] k_digi ago 

Yeah well, "social system" will pretty much have less meaning in the future as well.

we will function under "configuration systems"

its' pretty simple look at it like "VOAT" there is more freedom here than "Reddit" more decentralization of info what do you call "VOAT" ?

well take that basic principal and expand it into a general configuration system, "socialism" doesn't really work like that, there will really be no "central distibution" in decentralization there might be a "network" and some "organization" but that's about it.