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[–] Scablifter 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Pride in oneself is a sin, it destroys love and blinds us to the needs of others. As for fostering self esteem and confidence? That is nothing but pop psychology, this life that God gave is is not a growth therapy theme park.

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[–] AnmanIndustries 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Just a few below... There is like a tonne in proverbs and psalms alone. You will notice the distinction between being proud of serving God vs being proud of serving yourself. Being strengthened through God, being strengthened through yourself.

The correct topic for this thread should be: Worldly pride is a sin, but God gives us confidence and self esteem. (Not the bible)

Proverbs 11:2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdom.

James 4:6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

Jeremiah 9:23 Thus says the Lord: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty man boast in his might, let not the rich man boast in his riches,

Galatians 6:3 For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.

2 Chronicles 26:16 But when he was strong, he grew proud, to his destruction. For he was unfaithful to the Lord his God and entered the temple of the Lord to burn incense on the altar of incense.

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[–] Native [S] 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Thank you for the additional verses.

Yes, my point is the bible is perverted. God gives us confidence and pride in ourselves and our accomplishments (thru God) and there is nothing wrong with that.

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[–] AnmanIndustries 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Your point is the bible is perverted? I just gave you the contrast of the two stances and you are saying there is nothing wrong with that?

You are saying that that God gives us X, so we are proud of ourselves becasue we did Y? You are very far away from the core concept or understanding of this. God gives us X, so we are proud becasue God gave us X, which we then used to get Y. In short, God gave us Y. Not ourselves.

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[–] Crumbly 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The Bible wasn't written in English nor can the translation be perfect. The argument you have is over the definition of the english word 'pride'. Focus on the concept being taught, be humble and thankful to God.

Humility-the ability to be taught. If we rely on the wisdom of God rather than our own intelligence we will be better off. God is perfect, and wants what is best for us. Even if we don't understand the concept yet, his advice and rules are for our own benefit. Pride is the opposite of humility, believing so much in ourselves that we ignore the counsel of God.

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[–] i_scream_trucks 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No it literally says pride is a sin. One of the worst ones.

Youve gone this long and still not realised every word in that book contradicts itself somewhere else in the same book while a whole lot more of it that gets quoted is less coherent sentences that you have to read between the lines to understand, and more complete nonsensical gibberish words that sound pretty together but make absolutely no sense to anyone but the indoctrinated.

I mean i cant even contextualise parody or analogise 'freedom in christ' for instance because it is literally just three words together but dont mean anything.

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[–] Native [S] 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

it literally says pride is a sin

No. Excessive Pride is a sin.

Pride in itself is not a sin. It's common sense. We are fortunate that the New Testament is full of common sense as well.

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[–] i_scream_trucks 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No. It literally says, pride is a sin. 'Oh it means....' 'What it translates to...' 'Well when you also read....' is irrelevant to that one point.

It literally says pride is one of the seven deadly sins. Not 'a lot proud' or 'smug fucker know it all' or 'more than just a little bit proud' it says pride. A word. Period. Hyperephania to be exact (self-overestimation) - from the contemporary scholarly language of the time (greek) and the basis of constant mistranslation of the king james.

Even then - 'Pride goeth before a destruction a haughty spirit before a fall' Proverbs 16:18 as a quick example. No mention of the severity of the sin. Only sin.

This is also why anglicans/protestants are anglicans while most of america remains staunchly orthodox.

"..Do not praise a man because he is handsome and do not hold a man in contempt because of his appearance. The bee is one of the smallest winged insects but she excels in the exquisite sweetness of her honey. Do not be irrationally proud just because of the clothes you wear; do not be proud when people honor you. Do you know what the Lord is planning in a mysterious way? Many tyrants have been overthrown and someone unknown has received the crown... " Ecclesiasticus

Live it and/or understand it and/or pipe down. (In general, not op)

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[–] Pr1vate0xymoron 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Pride is what started the downfall of Satan which created the ruined world you see around you through which nothing comes to you but through pain. Sounds a lot like you're trying to justify your own pride and trying to bend scripture to your own will. Sounds so much like new age crap that's trying to please you and yourself. I love people who are unafraid to tell it like it is, instead of sugar coating things to make it sounds more palatable. Which of course in turn makes it so much worse for everyone else because nobody is calling the white wall, white.

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[–] Native [S] 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Hm....

  1. The Serpent in the Garden of Eden is arguably NOT Satan...

  2. The god of the Old Testament is Satan

  3. If we don't have self-esteem we are not humans. Self-esteem is knowing that we can be better people. Being better people means living a life that the Real God Jesus Christ would want us to live.

  4. No matter how you try to cut it, Pride isn't bad. We need pride to be Christians...I mean if you aren't 'proud' to be Christian then what are you?

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[–] Pr1vate0xymoron 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm not even proud to be a person. How can you be proud of yourself? What are your achievements? You're simply buying into new age crap beliefs that are only trying to strengthen the ego. I fell into the same trap which is why I'm saying what I'm saying.

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[–] carnold03 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church Index, section "P".

Pride: 1866, 2514

battle against, 1784

consequences of, 2094, 2317, 2540, 2728

Here's another regarding homosexuality, same-sex attraction.

Homosexuality, 2357-59