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[–] wetyourself 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

After having watched my Dad die of Lung Cancer, & all his suffering at the end, I agree 100%! He should have had a choice.

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[–] Salicaz [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It always seems a more dignified end to me.

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[–] watitdew 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Let me guess, they did everything to keep him alive long after his life was worth living and ran the bill way up, right?

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[–] Salicaz [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm so glad we have the NHS here, couldn't imagine going into bad health AND debt for it.

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[–] FormerBaltimoreRes 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Challenge: Medical suicide opens the door for budget strapped government agencies and insurance companies to push "dying with dignity" on people and families prematurely. Because of our unique for profit medical system in America, we are more susceptible to moral hazards.

I can see this moral hazard on multiple fronts: the biggest medical expense we have are the elderly's last five years, this is often covered by estates. It will be hinted by families for the elderly to just take the easy way out at the first sign of alzheimer's or cancer, thus securing their share of the elderly's estate. Insurance companies will start pushing literature overstating the suffering caused by end of life in hopes that people make a more profitable choice and end their lives before calling in expensive treatment. The government will also be able to push suicide on the older vets, and from what I've seen in the VA Hospitals the government would be happy to see those expensive aging soldiers "die with dignity"

I could go into more detail, but this was a "challenge that though", not "write a thesis in an attempt to refute that thought"

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[–] Salicaz [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thank you for your input!

Yes this is an angle I hadn't really thought about, and in the UK wouldn't seem to be as pressing (we don't really string it out for insurance money etc). It would need heavy, heavy legislation I'd imagine but that would probably cause it to become so wrapped in bureaucracy that the person in question would die by the time forms were filled in anyway.

It's sparked some thinking in me, I don't really have the answer to prevent the abuse you outline above.

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[–] Atwood 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Let a child witness the slow motion wilting of a loved one in a permanent vegetative coma and as an adult they will have no trouble expounding the virtues of euthanasia.

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[–] Salicaz [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Couldn't agree more. Why there is so much resistance to it baffles me.

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[–] Atwood 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

In much the same way religion offers hope of eternal paradise I think many (religious) people are too scared of breaking the Lords rules for fear of hell, in that, if they "let" people control their manner of passing out of this life they are kind of admitting that their belief structure is childish/retarded/nonsensical.

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[–] WakkoWarner 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Explain that to religious zealots... the same ones that come here telling you that Christianity is nothing like Islam and that "Religion does a lot of good in the world" as someone here on Voat stated just yesterday. If you can convince them then you will have a law permitting it in a matter of days becasue, so far, they are the only real obstacle to it.

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[–] Salicaz [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It saddens me when I think of the impact religion has on the modern world. It had it's place once, but no longer. Might make that the next topic, or feel free to post it in this sub :)

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[–] WakkoWarner 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Well, it is a matter of time (i hope) http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/12/5-key-findings-u-s-religious-landscape/

As the more educated and less "magic prone" generations will replace the older ones the percentage of the religious zealots will decrease.

It will take decades because these things are hard to die but we are slowly approaching a superstition-free society... unless politicians manage to screw up school more than what it already is. But today's kids have lots of resources that their parents didn't have back in their days. Today you can go on forums and make up your opinion listening to people that does not belong to your own family or community, today you can have contacts with lots of different people and make friends all over the world. This is important because it gives you a better understanding of what is bullshit and what is not.

It is now clear to everyone (or at least everyone that is not blinded by religion) that technology and science, not religion/superstition and magic, can make our life better... and it is now clear to many that science is the only way to understand reality and that superstition is just garbage with no value for people that for a reason or another can't accept reality for what it is.

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[–] Salicaz [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That would be the sticking point, how open to abuse it could be. I personally don't know how that would be addressed, maybe current euthanasia measures could be enough?

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[–] Salicaz [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thanks for your input!

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[–] carlip 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

My dad killed himself, I don't know why exactly. I speculate health reasons but no way to know for sure. But it was his choice and I wouldn't try to take it from anyone.

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[–] greycloud 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

if you own your body you should be allowed to commit suicide. its a moral principle, your body belongs to you, not to other people, you decide what you do with it, not other people. if other people decide what you do with your body, you should be able to decide what they do with theirs. if people were allowed to commit suicide AND this was culturally and legally acceptable, than it would create a demand to make culture more livable, and to cut out the inhumane treatment of the poor.

in the cases of keeping people alive against their will and in a torturous state, this is not just inhumane, it is a crime against humanity.

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