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[–] sharkiness 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

As someone who's been to the joint, I think you vastly underestimate the ability for prisoners to get things. All you're doing is creating a huge opportunity for a black market to exploit.

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[–] Tb0n3 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Prison is meant to be rehabilitative, not purely punitive. Also prisons are pretty big shitholes already.

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[–] Salicaz [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Here in the UK they're seen as a very soft touch, too soft in my opinion.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Not everyone in there is stuck in prison for a non-victimless crime. Some are in for dealing, some are in for prostitution.

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[–] Salicaz [S] 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

Would you lean more on a softer touch, more rehabilitation? I reckon that could only go so far before fear of going there would trump it.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yeah, people who committed crimes that are morally wrong but didn't hurt anyone shouldn't be treated like shit, they need to be told why that is wrong.

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[–] NateThomas1979 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I would suggest that the OP consider which prisons tend to have a lower recidivism rate? The rehabilitation model or the punitive model?

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[–] 2895750? 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

To add to that, prisons should only be used for those dangerous to the public, rather than the packed-tight money factories that they are now.

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[–] Ben77 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Whilst I believe prison should be a deterrent, and therefore no holiday camp, I also think there should be educational facilities/training programs for those that would like to improve themselves.

I cannot get away from the thought that releasing someone with no skills or prospects is just increasing the chance they will re-offend. IMO rehabilitation must be the primary goal, after public safety, or we might as well just go down the Judge Dredd route. Obviously there will be exceptions. Some people are just too dangerous to ever see the light of day, but even they could be encouraged to do something positive with their time, rather than rotting in a cell.

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[–] Salicaz [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah I agree, that's why I mentioned the library. It could be expanded on in terms of learning programs.

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[–] Ben77 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yup, a reformed criminal becoming a functioning, contributing member of society is win/win. We don't have to pay for their incarceration, and they get to improve their lot.

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[–] hyperoperation 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If prison was all rapists and murderers then sure. A lot of people there are just stuck with non-violent drug offenses or other bullshit the prison-industrial complex cooks up to keep numbers up.

Also punishment has been proven to be a notoriously terrible crime deterrent.

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[–] Pericles 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

your preconceived notions seem incredibly narrow.
first off, most people do not commit thier crimes with thoughts about getting caught or the possibility of what punishment they might receive.
its been proven over and over that capital punishment does absolutely nothing to lower the murderer rate.

so no. people will not be afraid because they'll never think about it until they're already caught.

secondly. you can't kill them all or keep them in jail forever. And if you keep humans in your 'hell hole' all they will learn is an abiding hate and need to revenge for their ill treatment.
Do you want your mother to be the first to bump into one of these newly released angry blood thirsty savages? They've already been to hell so there won't be much they fear anymore.
giving prisoners perks also gives the prison something to take away from the prisoners if they act out. if they already have nothing to lose...brutal savagery is all that remains.

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