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[–] mattsixteen24 ago
I'm not talking about your link. I'm talking about your belief that the goal is to get people into the church regardless of correct teachings. That's false. The goal of the church is to save souls. You can't save souls by giving people false teachings.
Like I said previously, not everything Catholic Answers writes is in error, but they do have many errors since they subscribe to false teachings of Vatican II. I wouldn't trust their answers. There's a reason they are allowed to be on the radio and have such a large audience. Real Catholic teachings would never be allowed over the radio. Real Catholicism is hated by non-Catholics and the majority of "Catholics."
[–] LexOrandiLexCredendi [S] ago
No, but it is easier to correct some Vatican II stupidity than it is to come up with pithy answers that are almost entirely without issue with a few minor exceptions. Catholic Answers was an invaluable guide for me after coming into the Church and helped clear up some major issues I encountered with the theology of my local parish priests.
And real Catholicism is not "hated", but is mostly unknown. I am part of a small but growing group in my diocese (different diocese than my old one) working to bring back the traditions which have been discarded, but like it or not, Vatican II and the "spirit of Vatican II" are here to stay, at least for a long while. The best thing we can do is to try to bring the old Traditions back without watering them down, but with a sense of reality.
The reality is the the majority of Catholics only know Novus Ordo mass settings and few of them speak a lick of Latin, and things are much worse in other parts of the world (Mexico for example and much of Central America doesn't even have a common Gloria text). We are not going to bring back chant or the TLM by holing up in small enclaves and hoping we get noticed or that some bolt from above will instantly turn back the clock. We have to work inside the Church and show "normal" Catholics how much beauty they've lost.
And let me tell you, from personal experience, it is a long road, but worth it. When we started doing this at the parish level, we had tons of kickback and viciousness from the hippie Catholic crowd bitching about having chant in the mass. Eventually their complaints went away because we had a pastor with balls, and after a couple of years we held our first Latin Mass. Yeah, it was the NO Latin Mass, but the fact is that the parish was standing room only, and many of those parishioners are drawn toward the old traditions. Now we are trying it on the diocesan level with a bishop who is at least willing to let us try.
Anyway, the point is that you can't always point people to the Catholic Encyclopedia or Church Fathers, because many people simply aren't willing to do that much reading or research. I understand your issues with CA, and I share some of them, but unfortunately the Church is in a tough spot right now while God purges the filth from His Bride.
[–] mattsixteen24 ago (edited ago)
No, I don't agree. That doesn't make any sense at all. Let's teach someone false teachings to confuse them then we can correct them later??? What if they are never corrected later? If you know something is false, then you shouldn't be directing them to false information. Also, I never said point someone to Catholic Encyclopedia or Church father documents although they are invaluable information.
Real Catholicism is definitely unknown and is hated. If it wasn't hated the church wouldn't be in the condition it's in today. Vatican II is not here to stay. It will be corrected, not sure when, but we can only hope in our lifetime and that's not impossible. Also, you don't have to speak Latin to understand the TLM. Also, you don't need Bishop approval to do the Latin Mass. If the Bishop is preventing that he is defying Pope Benedict XVI’s Summorum Pontificum.
There are other Catholic apologetic websites on the internet that have orthodox teachings like the one I pointed out. All CA does is confuse people. They also try to convince people that everything is hunky dory in the church while we are in the midst of a huge crisis. They are deceptive liars.
My point is, don't lie to people. Be truthful.