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[–] HookHandNodin 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

How many big posters have abandoned their well-recognised accounts after being mentioned on the site-that-must-not-be-named?

Hahaha.

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[–] HookHandNodin 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Welcome back! We missed ya.

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[–] yerwanontheinside [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

THREE

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User: b_user_1

At no point in my boards career can I remember it being quieter than it has been in the last few weeks. I log on in the morning,
and maybe half of my followed forums have new posts. In those forums, there's posts on maybe a couple of threads. It takes
about 3 minutes to catch up and then I just leave the site again.
It's like a sick relative and you've been in denial about how serious it is. It's not getting better, is it.

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User: b_user_2

> Originally Posted by b_user_1
> At no point in my boards career can I remember it being quieter than it has 
> been in the last few weeks. I log on in the morning, and maybe half of my 
> followed forums have new posts. In those forums, there's posts on maybe a 
> couple of threads. It takes about 3 minutes to catch up and then I just leave 
> the site again.
> It's like a sick relative and you've been in denial about how serious it is. It's not getting better, is it.

I feel the exact same. I can usually easily lose an hour to boards if I'm killing time.
There's a thread about an explosion in New York. That would normally be full at this stage. It's barely on page two.

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User: b_user_3

Come on over to farm and forestry, it gets quiet around 1am and kicks off again at 6am.

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User: b_user_4

I think the same.
I just had a quick look at AH for the month of August and it's on par with 2015 @ approx. 45k posts. Go back to 2014... 72k posts.
2013 approx 68k posts.
For the whole site:
June - Aug 2013 - 1,303,726
June - Aug 2014 - 1,250,421
June - Aug 2015 - 1,039,244
June - Aug 2016 - 878,414
That's a serious decline.

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User: b_user_5

> Originally Posted by 
>
> I think the same.
> I just had a quick look at AH for the month of August and it's on par with 2015 @ approx. 45k posts. Go back to 2014... 72k posts.
> 2013 approx 68k posts.
> For the whole site:
> June - Aug 2013 - 1,303,726
> June - Aug 2014 - 1,250,421
> June - Aug 2015 - 1,039,244
> June - Aug 2016 - 878,414
> That's a serious decline.


I was intermittently getting Cloudflare errors saying I was banned during the week (Cloudflare- not Boards errors)- I'm guessing
our regular users have been having similar crap.

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User: b_user_6

> Originally Posted by b_user_1
> At no point in my boards career can I remember it being quieter than it has been in the last few weeks. I log on in the
> morning, and maybe half of my followed forums have new posts. In those forums, there's posts on maybe a couple of
> threads. It takes about 3 minutes to catch up and then I just leave the site again.
> 
> It's like a sick relative and you've been in denial about how serious it is. It's not getting better, is it.

It's more like the old pub that used to be really popular but no-one new goes in there anymore cause of the cranky regulars and all
the rules but the owners/cranky regulars think it's the best place ever and everyone else is wrong.

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User: b_user_5

> Originally Posted by b_user_6
> It's more like the old pub that used to be really popular but no-one new goes in there anymore cause of the cranky
> regulars and all the rules but the owners/cranky regulars think it's the best place ever and everyone else is wrong.


That sort of tends to happen over a protracted period of time.
Our current lull- is sort of sudden?

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User: b_user_7

> Originally Posted by b_user_6
> It's more like the old pub that used to be really popular but no-one new goes in there anymore cause of the cranky
> regulars and all the rules but the owners/cranky regulars think it's the best place ever and everyone else is wrong.

Reminds me of the Simpsons

:::::YOUTUBE VIDEO:::::

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User: b_user_8

It does seem a good bit quieter. The Cloud flare issues don't help. But I know in Motors a lot of traffic is falling away because of
persistence tribal bollocks being caused by a particularly cliquey and bull headed group, and a general piss poor attitude to
anyone that asks a question the regulars deem below them.

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User: b_user_9

The cloudflare stuff has been pretty frustrating throughout the last week or two, getting a bit sick myself of hitting a broken site
intermittently kicking me off. Can only imagine how less patient punters might feel.

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User: b_user_10

There was a comprehensive feedback thread a few months ago (Ghost town) that seems to have been widely ignored. New users
are still faced with the new site so not surprising posts are down.

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User: b_user_6

New users are coming in and are being hit with rule after rule after rule, then you have older posters who think they own the place
so stifle lots of conversations. In my opinion, having a discussion forum which bans topics for discussion because they have been
discussed too often is going to kill the place, it'd be like a pub banning conversation about weather and politics because all the
regulars have already discussed it and the topics normally just lead to arguments.

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User: b_user_11


> Originally Posted by b_user_25
> There's a thread about an explosion in New York. That would normally be full at this stage. It's barely on page two.

I agree with the general sentiment, but in this case, good

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User: b_user_12

> Originally Posted by b_user_1
> It's like a sick relative and you've been in denial about how serious it is. It's not getting better, is it.

It's really not.
I'm the same as you, b_user_1- there was a point where I'd log on and lose a couple of hours here!
Now it takes me about 5-10 minutes to read the Christmas forum, check in on a couple of followed forums and maybe have a
quick look to see what's happening in After Hours.

> Originally Posted by b_user_6
> New users are coming in and are being hit with rule after rule after rule, then you have older posters who think they own
> the place so stifle lots of conversations. In my opinion, having a discussion forum which bans topics for discussion
> because they have been discussed too often is going to kill the place, it'd be like a pub banning conversation about
> weather and politics because all the regulars have already discussed it and the topics normally just lead to arguments.


New users immediately see the hideous new site. I'm sorry, but it is.
All the topics are hidden so they can't see what's here.
They are hit with Cloudflare issues.
They can't have a custom avatar.
They post in the wrong thread or forum and are instantly made to feel moronic or their thread is locked because somebody
discussed this already in 2014.
They read through a thread and all they see are mods posting in bold, yellow cards, closed accounts and banned users.
If I was a new user now, I really wouldn't see a lot here that would appeal to me.

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User: b_user_13

It's not that it's hideous (well, it is) but it's unusable. Some of the links I've clicked on in the past week have led me to the new site
which resulted in an error. All Google search results have led to an error. Again, the new site.
Despite Dav's own admitment that the new site is ****, no answer has been given as to why it's still being pushed out so
aggressively.

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User: b_user_10

From my own perspective I find it difficult to get anything done. Everything has to be done by way of the admins which isn't
working for me. It recently took weeks and follow up after follow up to get an individual demodded. Given the amount of forums I
need to go through I don't have the time to spend checking and rechecking if my requests are being actioned (especially
considering how cumbersome the touch site is to do modding).
Other than that I have pretty much stopped carding people and have taken a softly softly approach to modding which seems to be
working a little.
No point in going through all the issues again as it has been done to death but I see volunteers here doing their best day after day
but I am seeing nothing at all from the office and haven't done for a long time now. The odd post appears saying they are listening
but 6 months later the new site is still present despite virtually zero positivity.
Depressing really.

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User: b_user_14

Cloudflare issues are a pita and must be affecting post levels. I also think there has been a huge increase in trolling /re reg which
is affecting post counts. Bob likes to frequent A&P leaving us with at least 50 deleted posts a week. That's before responses and
general modding comes in.

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User b_user_15

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Yeah, there are multiple issues that need addressing.
A few of the Admins had a meeting in the Boards.ie HQ recently and we expressed a lot of the sentiments above.
So we are trying to fix things.

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[–] yerwanontheinside [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

TWO



User: b_user_10

From my own perspective I find it difficult to get anything done. Everything has to be done by way of the admins which isn't
working for me. It recently took weeks and follow up after follow up to get an individual demodded. Given the amount of forums I
need to go through I don't have the time to spend checking and rechecking if my requests are being actioned (especially
considering how cumbersome the touch site is to do modding).
Other than that I have pretty much stopped carding people and have taken a softly softly approach to modding which seems to be
working a little.
No point in going through all the issues again as it has been done to death but I see volunteers here doing their best day after day
but I am seeing nothing at all from the office and haven't done for a long time now. The odd post appears saying they are listening
but 6 months later the new site is still present despite virtually zero positivity.
Depressing really.

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User: b_user_14

Cloudflare issues are a pita and must be affecting post levels. I also think there has been a huge increase in trolling /re reg which
is affecting post counts. Bob likes to frequent A&P leaving us with at least 50 deleted posts a week. That's before responses and
general modding comes in.

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User b_user_15

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Yeah, there are multiple issues that need addressing.
A few of the Admins had a meeting in the Boards.ie HQ recently and we expressed a lot of the sentiments above.
So we are trying to fix things.

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User: b_user_4

> Originally Posted by b_user_15
> Yeah, there are multiple issues that need addressing.
> A few of the Admins had a meeting in the Boards.ie HQ recently and we expressed a lot of the sentiments above.
> So we are trying to fix things.


Any information from the meeting that can be passed on? What was asked, answered, what's happening in general, etc

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User: b_user_16

I've split this from the off-topic thread as there's valuable feedback here that we shouldn't lose track of.
tHB

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User: b_user_17

I doubt the new site is a problem for new users, they don't know any different really.
Unless as a new user it's totally unusable which I don't think it is. It's more unusable for someone familiar with the old one.
But there are too many rules and restrictions on new users.
People are not welcoming to new users at all and each one is looked at suspiciously as being a rereg until they pretty much prove
they aren't......plus they probably don't know what a rereg is and a scared away by the accusations.
There is also the problem of the same splatterings pf poster having the same argument over and over and over and over and over
and over and over and over which aint pretty reading for anyone.

EDIT: I should also add that in my opinion, the internet population has changed alot over the last few years. People who would
normally not be in chat rooms or on forums now are accessing from their devices. In the past we would use the internet to talk
about things, a/s/l, have a laugh.....now people in general use it to complain.
I'd say the traffic has moved to places where complaints are more frequent such as the journal/liberal/youtube etc. A couple of
years ago, an article on the journal would have 5 or 6 comments. Now is hundreds of comments where people complain and pick
on each other.

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User: b_user_15

> Originally Posted by b_user_4
> Any information from the meeting that can be passed on? What was asked, answered, what's happening in general, etc

There's a more formal communication on the way, but I'll talk about what I brought up.
Job #1, as far as I am concerned, are the technical issues. A stage site is our core "business" (and I hate using that term), but its
not working. We had some discussion around why there is no magic fix, why there aren't an army of resources that can be thrown
at the problems, why things are taking so long to get resolved. I think we all agree the "we're working on it" line no longer carries
any weight.

We had some discussion around new users and how hostile the site can be. This one, I believe, we can fix as a community, rather
than requiring HQ.

There was a LOT of discussion about the commercial realities of the site, along with acknowledgement of recent cock-ups. A plan
is being formalised to ensure these kinds of things don't happen again.
There were a good few more things, with a strong acknowledgement from HQ that there are lots of issues, ranging from technical
to commercial to community that need fixing. Plans are being formulated, discussions are being had at many levels.
So unfortunately, there's not much more I can say at this point.

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User: b_user_18

> Originally Posted by b_user_23
> But I know in Motors a lot of traffic is falling away because of persistence tribal bollocks being caused by a particularly
> cliquey and bull headed group, and a general piss poor attitude to anyone that asks a question the regulars deem below
> them.

I see this in PI and Parenting too. Massively frustrating and while we do step in to address it, usually by that stage the new user
has experienced the nasty attitude and is long gone.

The other thing is that on all other sites, people have more control over the content they post. Other sites are more
accommodating of having forums with a 30 days auto-delete area, removing a posters posts, or letting people namechange as
often as they want for anonymity. It's still visible to mods but not to users. On this site, we do none of that, for seemingly valid
reasons, but ultimately if people don't like those rules, they will simply vote with their feet and post on forums that give them more
control over editing what they post.

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User: b_user_19

Does anyone have creative solutions that can increase the post and view counts for boards.ie? I am always willing to experiment,
so if you have ideas, please post them here.

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User: b_user_12

I still think hiding everything under 'topics' means people don't stay and browse as much as they once did.
Netflix has it's "next episoe playing in 3-2-1..." to keep you watching and "maybe you would be also be interested in..." to keep
you coming back for more. There's so much content here but it's woefully hidden away.
I also think getting rid of 'closed account' 'banned' etc being visible under usernames would be good. Make the place seem less
like half the users have disappeared.

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User: b_user_20

> Originally Posted by b_user_12
> I also think getting rid of 'closed account' 'banned' etc being visible under usernames would be good. Make the place
> seem less like half the users have disappeared.

Maybe if we could have "re-reg" or something as an option as well as Banned/Closed Account? Well over half of the "banned" are
the same four or five posters with a bizarre obsession. I'd say Scanlas and Bob alone account for half of it alone. At least then
people could see why this and that poster has been given the boot and it's not just because we're stifling discussion.

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User: b_user_4

Great idea and I would have thought, easy enough to implement. The amount of banned and close accounts littered across the
site looks shocking

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User: b_user_1

I think getting rid of tag lines would go a long way. Moderators and up are identified by bold names, stars and it states the role
below the username. Tag lines are redundant, IMO, and the amount of 'banned' and 'closed' tag lines is seriously off putting.

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User: b_user_21

The site is always at its quietest on a Sunday I would think.

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User: b_user_22

In terms of visual and therefore discussion accessibility, could be an idea to ensure de-emphasis of the 'star ratings' and post
counts on everybody's public profile. Might make it a bit more enticing for new users to participate when they don't feel like they're
facing off against 'super users' or what not. Think the simple user/subscriber/moderator/admin tag on the touch site feels like a
more level playing field
I don't use the new site, but that's one of the positive changes over there. Think there's even room to
downplay those simple tags TBH.

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User: b_user_23

I'd agree with getting rid of user tags. Mark mods/admin as necessary but regular users, should have nothing regarding their
actual status.

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User: b_user_9

+1 on ridding of the user tags and the like. Far far too clique'y at best. And yeah, theres nothing more miserable in an otherwise
health topic discussion than a plethora of 'closed accounts' under users' names. Just emphasises emptiness.

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User: b_user_24

How many big posters have abandoned their well-recognised accounts after being mentioned on the site-that-must-not-
be-named? I reckon that has to take some of the blame (as well as all of the issues raised in previous posts).
People complain about cliques, but being able to chat with posters and build a community vibe is important too. Little things like
having to remove photographs bites away from the potential for posters to get to know each other a bit.
I haven't had a face-to-face chat or a pint with another moderator in forever.

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[–] Rabidlamb 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Well this is all wonderfully informative stuff. At least we can see that the Mods are humans too & can see the same issues facing the site as the users can. I thought the comment on Boards not being the bar of choice anymore was apt, they also recognise the established cliques are killing certain forums.

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[–] yerwanontheinside [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

TEN


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User: b_user_34

The moderation is over talked about at this stage. It was even more criticised years ago at the peak when numbers and the
community were growing. IMH the moderation stuff has been grasped upon as a Thing To Fix but is a red herring and is akin to
rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic. It only looks like something useful to be tackled.

1) the New responsive site. It's shíte. End of. It's unwieldy as all hell and was a waste of time and resources(and I've heard this
from folks in their teens and twenties). The list of "how in christ's name did this get passed" is long. Hell, the fact that moderation
on the thing wasn't and still isn't up to speed is retarded. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and the traffic figures show
people don't want to eat your "responsive" pudding.
Deckchair rearrangement officer
2) Reducing the entire site's categories to "Topics" was a monumentally idiotic move. Well done, you've just hidden the entirety of
the site, information and community #slowhandclap As b_user_12 noted:

> Originally Posted by b_user_12
> There's so much content here but it's woefully hidden away.

3) Closed account feature. It makes the idea of an account and what that represents, throwaway and more worthless. Revisit the
requirement, get more or better legal advice, remove it.
4) Office disconnect and response times. How long has the subscriptions stuff been in play? Weeks? That's just amateur hour.
Too often the volunteer admins get some idea of what's going on, the mods get eff all and the users ditto, not until it's imposed
upon them. Apparently there's even a CEO. Apparently.
5) Get over the whole "improvement" treadmill. Stop bringing in bloody consultants and meetings so you can feel like a grown up
company and go back to the core of what the site was and still could be. There is much talk about not gaining newer younger
users, yet little is spoken of why the site lost the older long term users. Comfort and familiarity sells. Reddit is far more sprawling
and dense than Boards.ie ever was and is flying along. Learn from that.


> Originally Posted by b_user_13
> Despite Dav's own admitment that the new site is ****, no answer has been given as to why it's still being pushed out so
> aggressively.


There were Meetings(TM) and Powerpoint was powered up and Consultants were consulted and Visions were envisioned and
money was spent. And by god we're steaming ahead regardless. Perfect example of bought in middle management mentality.
Even typing this out I noted a dialogue in my head if I should use "we" or "they" when discussing Boards.ie. Five years ago that
simply wouldn't have come up. We may at times have had some lines drawn such as mods/users admins/mods etc but even then
it was very much a "we" experience. I see some still feel that and that's good, but more and more of your core aren't and when it
reaches a tipping point, it's game over. It's about time you listened and I mean listened. Not palmed off the issues raised with
platitudes passed through the admins, who are also volunteers BTW.

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User: b_user_17

I personally think that the user base needs to know who the mods are. I know that myself and a bunch of the AH team get
contacted regularly by users with different issues. They feel more comfortable talking to someone they know about an issue
before following up on it formally, or they are looking for direction on how to address something.

Making mods hidden takes away that personal element and makes us look more like robots than people.

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[–] yerwanontheinside [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

NINE


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User: b_user_20

We do have an issue with that in AH at the moment, a small and persistent section of eejits with far too much time on their hands
who have almost certainly already been given the Noble Order Of before (or multiple times), and come back to troll. Some of them
get away with it for a time, if we can't quite prove who they are and they persist in making AH unwelcoming, abusive at times, and
repetitive. What do you do in that circumstance? It can't be left to police itself, you can imagine what it would very rapidly look like
if it was. It works when everyone is basically well-meaning, but it doesn't work when you have active and deliberate asshats
involved too. AH already has a reputation for being the dumping ground of the Boards lunatic asylum. Unfortunately, we tend to
attract the same damn (very emotive) threads that too often blow up into moderately vicious sniping. Some of that is symptomatic
of a wider malaise in Ireland/the world at the moment and there's nothing anyone can do about that, it's just unfortunate that AH
(and presumably Politics Cafe) are the places that it becomes most ugly and apparent.
I realise there's nothing actually helpful in the above, but AH is one of the more awkward places to mod in that respect and results
in more visible modding than anyone would really like.
On the other hand, I have a bingo card. The happy version of the bingo card has "No Reported Posts On First Page of Reported
Posts Thread" as the centre square.
(It's happened once!)

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User: b_user_3

On Farm and Forestry we've lost a few posters to twitter, we have the odd flare up still where a few lads get in a huff and close
accounts, but most come back as a re-reg in a couple of weeks, I honestly think they miss the banter. Farming is a solitary
occupation and we get a lot of people on at lunch time just for a look in. A lot of them don't actually sign in, there could be 30
signed in and another 70 or so as 'visitors'.
Forestry I agree AH is a more difficult place to moderate, but like b_user_31 in shooting, if a new thread starts up you could almost predict who
is going to post next. A lot of forums are very cliquey it is hard for new people to break in with photos and links not being allowed,
but as mods we use our discretion on F&F as most people are genuine.
What has worked well for us is a chit chat thread where almost anything goes, and is moderated very lightly compared to boards
in general. The only things we come down heavily on is personal stuff, ie. insults and trying to figure out why a poster left, + the
usual 'illegal' activities carried out.
Should Mods be allowed 2 accounts, one for moderating and the other for normal posting?
Thanks b_user_1 for starting this subject off.

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User: b_user_13

> Originally Posted by b_user_3
> Should Mods be allowed 2 accounts, one for moderating and the other for normal posting?

I thought we all had another account to troll our co-mods with..

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User: b_user_32

> Originally Posted by b_user_3
> Should Mods be allowed 2 accounts, one for moderating and the other for normal posting?

Do mods have any opinion on having anonymous mod accounts for modding and retaining their own user accounts for posting?
So "After Hours Moderator" or "AH:Mod" (or numbered like "AH:Mod#1") would be used to write mod notes or issue
bans/warnings. Users can speculate who the mods are all they want but the purpose will be to allow a mod to post without
worrying that their opinion will be taken as an official stance. If a mod wants they can retain anonymity - with care - but not from
co-mods or cmods/admins (we have to see who is doing what).
It would also allow mod team changes to be more behind the scenes and less noticeable when Mod Bob becomes User Bob. It
would also, imho, remove the instant opposition some mods experience just for the fact that they are a mod.

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User: b_user_33

Personally I really wouldn't be bothered logging in and out every time I want to do a mod action. That's just me though.

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> Originally Posted by b_user_32
> Do mods have any opinion on having anonymous mod accounts for modding and retaining their own user accounts for
> posting?
>
> So "After Hours Moderator" or "AH:Mod" (or numbered like "AH:Mod#1") would be used to write mod notes or issue
> bans/warnings. Users can speculate who the mods are all they want but the purpose will be to allow a mod to post
> without worrying that their opinion will be taken as an official stance. If a mod wants they can retain anonymity - with care
> - but not from co-mods or cmods/admins (we have to see who is doing what).
>
> It would also allow mod team changes to be more behind the scenes and less noticeable when Mod Bob becomes User
> Bob. It would also, imho, remove the instant opposition some mods experience just for the fact that they are a mod.

I think this is a great idea. Certainly it would make soccer a lot easier to mod.

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User: b_user_1

> Originally Posted by b_user_32
> Do mods have any opinion on having anonymous mod accounts for modding and retaining their own user accounts for
> posting?
> So "After Hours Moderator" or "AH:Mod" (or numbered like "AH:Mod#1") would be used to write mod notes or issue
> bans/warnings. Users can speculate who the mods are all they want but the purpose will be to allow a mod to post
> without worrying that their opinion will be taken as an official stance. If a mod wants they can retain anonymity - with care
> - but not from co-mods or cmods/admins (we have to see who is doing what).
> It would also allow mod team changes to be more behind the scenes and less noticeable when Mod Bob becomes User
> Bob. It would also, imho, remove the instant opposition some mods experience just for the fact that they are a mod.


It has been floated as an idea many times before, and the usual issue is the extra work involved. I think it's a good idea in a lot of
ways, but how easy is it to do logistically? Like, does a forum still have a list of moderators? Or does it just say AH:Mod? How can
users PM mods when they have problems? How do we keep track of who is actually a moderator? If the forum retains its list of
moderators, then the 'instant opposition' aspect won't be relieved at all, I would guess.

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[–] SomeFella 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

What ever happened tot g'em?

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