[–] [deleted] 19 points 100 points (+119|-19) ago 

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[–] ForgotMyName 4 points 27 points (+31|-4) ago 

Or everyone should just migrate to an askvoat alternative. This sub is no longer a default.

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[–] zambeezy 5 points 27 points (+32|-5) ago 

/v/AskVoat2 is where I'm at now. Not going to put up with this horseshit

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[–] Klaue 2 points 14 points (+16|-2) ago 

It is the first ask* anybody coming from reddit will be looking for, And really, abandoning a subreddit just because one mod is a dick instead of removing that mod seems like a bad idea

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[–] mtlionsroar 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

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[–] Genghis_Khan 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Prescience. I'm not being snide or sarcastic.

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[–] Pattoe 80 points 36 points (+116|-80) ago 

I'm not the biggest /u/she fan but until we can talk about it like sensible and reasonable adults, I don't want to be part of it.

/u/she is a human and regardless of what you think of her skills and objectivity as a moderator /u/she does not deserve the level of sick and vile harassment they have gotten.

I apologise for any horrible things I may have said, and I hope others see reason soon, too.

Grasp some perspective.

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[–] ProfKraken 6 points 85 points (+91|-6) ago 

1) Enough with the martyr story. Mods, by the very nature of their work, must put themselves out there and be open to public scrutiny. @She knew(or, rather, should have known) this when requesting to become a mod. Intelligent users separate mod accounts from their personal posting accounts for this very reason. A mod account should only be used for official moderation in the subverse absolutely not as a form of super user account for regular posting and the building of a larger web identity. If @she had done this, there would be no real issue with harassment, imagined or otherwise. We don't live in the 90's anymore and no one should have to be told what has become common sense. A mod should do his/her work, post a very concise(not open to interpretation) explanation for their actions, and move on.

2) Don't apologize for other people. It's a cheap maneuver, and we as a community should strive to be above that. A user can only be only responsible for his/her own actions and we should all know that by now.

3) Read, and encourage others to read, the mod logs and do some simple research before forming opinions on the actions of moderators, rogue or otherwise. Part of being a "sensible and reasonable adult" is recognizing that users on forums do not speak with the one voice and that the short-sighted, emotionally charged posts of a number of users do not mean that others are not having thoughtful and civilized discussion. If you want to handle a subject with maturity, then I suggest you begin by participating in mature discussion rather than crossing your arms and calling everyone in the room children.

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[–] Bearerider 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

Oh shit! Did I just hear mic drop?!

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[–] Cuckbot 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Well said.. Very well, said.

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[–] escapefromredditbay [S] 21 points 42 points (+63|-21) ago 

shes a human being, yes. and, im still not skipping on deserved judgement.

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[–] Lilija 7 points 0 points (+7|-7) ago 

Even tho your intentions might be ok, your approach is counterproductive.

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[–] 12_Years_A_Toucan 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

@she did not create the question mark rule

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[–] JJEvil 10 points -1 points (+9|-10) ago 

Who is the judge?

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[–] gramman74 3 points 8 points (+11|-3) ago 

We are human beings too, it goes both ways. Every time she fucks somebody over, that somebody is a human being.

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[–] Wolfeh2015 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

I agree with everything you have said.

But it has no relevance to this thread. /u/she is not immune to criticism, and this thread was created specifically to take a critical look at /u/she 's actions as a moderator.

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[–] LegoMyEgo 27 points 25 points (+52|-27) ago 

Notifying the FBI because you believe there exists child porn on voat is the proper procedure as stated by Atko. Whether there was cp is for the authorities to determine.

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[–] Scandinavian 10 points 60 points (+70|-10) ago  (edited ago)

Oh, please. It was a dick move and a copy-paste of what really set of the landslide on Reddit.

I'm a little surprised about the victimhood working so well on you guys. I'm also fairly confident it wouldn't work so well if "she" didn't have a username that alluded to him/her being a female.

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[–] KinkRaven 3 points 41 points (+44|-3) ago  (edited ago)

it's a dumb username and basically is an example of 'there are no girls on the internet' and 'tits or GTFO'

She picked that username to make sure we can automatically have a pussy pass applied to her.

edit: you didn't, read the context wrong

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[–] escapefromredditbay [S] 17 points 33 points (+50|-17) ago 

there wasnt CP though.

and, i swear on my honor, ive seen it in voats IRC channel, that SHE honestly cant see the difference between loli and real CP.

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[–] Lilija 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago 

I have a proposal, can everyone calm down and we all start from there? Because there is mostly a lot of shouting and demanding and not enough facts and proposals of a constructive debate. Regardless of who did what and how justified/unjustified it was, throwing tantrums isn't leading this community anywhere.

Some actions already have been taken by the mods and admins. They might not be what some people expect but it's a start. There is no reason to really demand more at this point. What can be done is letting dust to settle and see how the situation evolves and react if anything bad starts happening again. Everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves. Also people often need time to understand their own mistakes. Mod are humans an make mistakes.

I also agree it would be better for everyone if /u/she stopped being a mod (herself included). But if she thinks thinks she can keep doing this in a proper way that's her choice.

And if the situation repeats itself keep it to the facts and avoid emotional accusations. If you keep it civil noone will be able to dismiss your arguments by calling it harassment. The water that drills the rock might be doing it for a very long period of time but at least it doesn't burn out like a fire that can only destroy and bring much more harm than good.

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[–] Lullabyt 3 points 17 points (+20|-3) ago 

Wait. What in the hell was the FBI called for? That's a joke right?

Edit: Added a question mark.

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[–] heili 3 points 32 points (+35|-3) ago 

Because she freaked out over a subverse where there were pictures of clothed teenagers.

A subverse she would not even visit before she actually called the FBI.

I don't like those subverses. I don't subscribe to them. I do think calling the FBI over pictures of teenagers who have their clothes on is an overreaction.

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[–] Lullabyt 4 points 27 points (+31|-4) ago 

It's not an overreaction. It's fucking irresponsible.

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[–] erusiel 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Is there a TLDR of the situation anywhere? My search for SHE didnt prove all that rewarding.

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[–] TheSoaringShite 8 points 9 points (+17|-8) ago 

Long version

In my opinion, a bunch of SJW tried to take over this sub by accusing the moderation team of being SJW. This is roughly what happend on the 8chan gamergate boards.

Gaining Full Control

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavorable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms.

Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

Breaking the Banhammer

An agent may come to the forum in question with an anti-authoritarian, anarchist tone. This seems legitimate enough at first glance, as any research or activist forum is certain to be aware of the corruption of The System, and those in charge of it. However, by directing this anti-authoritarian attitude towards the very moderation team who are there to ensure that research and activism can take place, they attempt to undermine the authority of and respect for the moderation team. You mean you're banning people? Aren't you about free speech, the constitution? Etc. This is a technique known as Occupatio, and presents the moderator with a catch-22; either ban the troublemaker and lend credence to the claim that the moderation team is hypocritical, or don't ban him and continue listening to him complain about how the site's staff is hypocritical.

If there are other agents on the forum, and the moderators ban the troublemaker, they may begin hurling accusations of witch hunts and McCarthyism at the moderators, attempting to rile the userbase into a shitstorm against the moderators. Divide and conquer.

(shitty) source

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[–] gatordontplaythatsht 2 points 16 points (+18|-2) ago 

I am not an sjw, I was the one who posted the submission that front paged and then was removed by @she for lacking a ?

I do not want/seek power here on voat. My wanting @she 's removal now simply stems from poor moderation and shady behaviors involving several others mods and alternate accounts on this site, not forgetting to mention the irc she mentions that she chats with several other site moderators on.

Their side of the argument will have you believe this is a "witch hunt" and that they, nor @she have done anything wrong. They continue to try to label me a shill, troll, or sjw. Yet I am none of those, and was only ever involved because I felt the quality of the site, and the purpose of the site (freedom of speech) was being threatened by poor moderation.

I never encouraged harassment (most of which I am certain @she is making up anyway) nor did I encourage any postings other than my own. I invite anyone, admins included, to please look into it all they'd like.

I firmly believe @she , along with several other site moderators, are colluding to gain control over many subs through the subverserequest system. They all admit to regularly communicating on irc, and of the mods involved in this groups almost all of them have successfully gained control of large subs recently, or are on their way to doing so.

When you encourage this type of moderation, this way of accessing control of subverses, this type of shady collusion begins. A buddy system develops and begins to taint the meanings of the site, begins to bring about their own "culture".

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[–] TheBeesTrees 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Putting aside all the drama here, she made some questionable calls, censored posts, and may have broken the rules of the sub.

There is some understandable negativity regarding her actions. And there is a lot of insane hype going on. Should she be removed as mod? I don't know. It depends on Atko's view I guess. It may be impossible to tell at this point and amidst so much chaos.

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[–] escapefromredditbay [S] 10 points 0 points (+10|-10) ago 

that, would take a really long time.

although word of warning, fact_checking_aliens summary is very, biased. in fact he ignores the FBI part.

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[–] Fuckery 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

This is so civil...

[–] [deleted] 8 points 8 points (+16|-8) ago 

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[–] escapefromredditbay [S] 8 points 13 points (+21|-8) ago 

her conduct is a problem though. in fact its the very points i raise.

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