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[–] nomenimion 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Bingo.

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[–] Beers 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

I don't think using the grid costs a lot of money. I think maintaining the grid does. Usage shouldn't really matter that much. I think it's kind of like a cell phone provider... whether or not you use 1GB or 10GB doesn't really change their costs. Building towers does, though, and they need to pay for those towers.

I mean... can you imagine how expensive and difficult running a massive electrical grid must be? Do you think it makes sense to allow opt-out for the grid? I mean, maybe if you disconnect your house entirely. Otherwise, you're paying for access to electricity, whenever you need it, at nearly any amount... that's valuable!

Although, there should definitely be an option to not be part of the electrical grid. But perhaps you can see where the conflict might arise?

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[–] SgtSama 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Just like the mod who deleted this thread because it didn't have a "?" at the end.

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[–] DetectiveSplat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

IMO this is a partial answer but mostly a bon answer because it raises more questions than it answers.

Control in what aspect? How maintains the control? To what end is control needed?

I have friends that are actively pursuing a self sufficient lifestyle and are being met with resistance not only from the surrounding neighbors but also the energy providers. Said friends speculate that they may be looking at litigation soon. Self sufficiency should be encouraged not aggressively punished and according to said friend there is no legal basis for the hostility.

The question remains who's agenda is it to keep people on the grid? The energy providers would actually benefit as there would be less strain. On the network and yet they could continue to charge the same while investing less in maintenance on the network.

The neighbors say they have issue with the visual impact of solar cells and the raising of animals. I can't even fathom why local law informant would be included. So who would benefit from asserting always connected as a form of control?

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

It makes people dependent on the government. They don't want people who can survive on their own, so they force them into dependency on state-controlled utilities.

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[–] i_am_not_crazy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

But you are free to exercise that option. Those who want to live off grid aren't.

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[–] savageslav 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Where can you get entire house solar set up including batteries for $10000? I'll be willing to pay you $11000 per set up and I'll take every single one that you have ;)

Joking aside it costs about $40000 to $50000 to wire average size house with solar :)

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[–] Humbaba 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Not everyone can be self sufficient, because it requires far more resources to build your own power plant vs using a central plant for everyone. It's a horrible waste of resources to leave the grid.

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[–] jerengineer 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

What government are you talking about? Mine is fine with you being off grid. Know lots of people doing it. Canada.

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[–] 3226 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Same here. UK.

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[–] rand_paul 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Immigrants living like they're in 3rd world countries doesn't count as "off the grid".

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[–] Kovaelin 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah, you can actually make money by selling back to the grid here in Canada.

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[–] timsandtoms 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

But in that case, do you still need to pay fees to be hooked up to the grid? Some places you need to pay for access, regardless of how much you use, although you can sell excess back.

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[–] 1644322? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Today Florida. Tomorrow the entire Union.

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[–] Sauistorby 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

In Norway as well, not a problem here.

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[–] Beers 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

I think a lot of the answers here are really, really loaded and biased. You guys have a lot of good points, but have you looked into the very rural areas in the midwest? I'm assuming we're talking about the US here. There are a lot of places where you can live off the grid. In the middle of suburbia? Unlikely.

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[–] heili 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

You just have a lot of people who seem to think that they should be able to live 'off the grid' but not have to actually rough it at all. You can live off the grid... you just can't do it a block and a half from Starbucks.

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[–] 1644612? 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

What do you think "off the grid" means? Because it literally means off the electrical grid. People who are energy independant aren't camping in the wilderness nor pretending to.

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[–] 1644338? 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I think you're simply unaware of the new law in Florida.

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[–] Beers 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's a result of conflict. It's not a decent solution, so it won't last. But during conflict and change (for example, solar becoming much more popular) there will be strange laws that get enacted, then fail later down the road.

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[–] SpaceRosa 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Because you'll have to rely on them, and the system they control. If you live as you please, you don't have to do what they tell you to, or live the way they tell you to. By making it illegal, they keep most people under control, just how they want them. Unless you're willing to defy the law and live off the grid, in which case they'll come after you for it.

It sounds paranoid to say, but I don't think I'm wrong. It's all set up to keep the people at the top at the top, and everyone else beneath them.

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[–] Tigernado_Survivor 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Power, if you're not grinding your life away to pay them for your resources, they have no power.

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[–] Cooli-OH 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

In what ways have these things you listed become illegal? I'm actually curious, I'm Not too savvy when it comes to living off the grid

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[–] Survivorofthemeta 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3111OtKaNk

This probably could explain or atleast show it better than i could.

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[–] voiceofflawedlogic 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

Lowers property values which brings them less property tax revenue.

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[–] l23r 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

How does having solar panels on the top of your house lower your property values? I would be more likely to buy a house if it came with a pre-existing renewable energy source. In Canada, companies will actually pay you to take the energy created by windmills or solar panels on your property.

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[–] voiceofflawedlogic 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Talk to an appraiser. Not having utilities such as water (personal well or city) and power reduces the property value and will make the property unavailable for certain types of loans (FHA for example). It's not considered to be a developed piece of property; basic

In Canada, companies will actually pay you to take the energy created by windmills or solar panels on your property.

Yes, absolutely, but you also have to be hooked up to the grid in order to be able to sell them this excess electricity.

I'm not agreeing with the way shit works, just stating what is.

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