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[–] middle_path 27 points 113 points (+140|-27) ago 

To be fair, gays have been treated like shit for a while. They couldn't marry who they wanted and are often ostracized by society and especially their parents. People often get hung up on what causes homosexuality but it's a moot point. These people are attracted to the same sex and we can either treat them as equals or not.

Part of being a good society is fighting for the rights of the little guy, and 4% of our population is still a lot of people. Now the law is set and they can marry and they need to reel it back, just like blacks who claim they are still being oppressed. It's a lingering victim complex from a few generations that actually experienced the hate and abuse.

Okay, I'm ready for the downvoats now.

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[–] By_The_Water [S] 8 points 17 points (+25|-8) ago  (edited ago)

No, fam, I get you. As I said, I'm quite ambivalent towards most social issues... but this seems to be one that's everywhere, at all times. I just was wondering why it's is everywhere, at all times when it's such a small statistical proportion of the whole.

I'm of the opinion that "We're all equal, but ..." is equivalent to "I'm not racist, but..." We are equal or we aren't, full stop. After we have established equality, what is there left to fight about? You're my equal. Cool. But as an American, I have the right to assign random hate for you for any reason. People forget that not everyone in the world has to like you just because you exist.

I randomly hate redheads. They eat boogers, are lascivious, often promiscuous, and think they're so fucking special when they aren't. They often have blotchy skin, too. Fuck redheads. Anyways... I can randomly hate them all I want. It's my right. If a coalition of redheads came to my door and demanded my acceptance for their godforsaken existence, I'd probably sic my dog on them. Their right to exist outside my property line is a-fucking-ok. Just don't get in my face about it. Fucking whores.

Everyone can hate anyone all they want. As long as it doesn't interfere with the social welfare of society, what's the fuss? People probably hate me. I'm cool with that. It's whatevs.

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[–] middle_path 2 points 19 points (+21|-2) ago 

I think you're getting off topic. I was explaining why lgbtkdndikdbhak conversation is everywhere - it's an after shock from a time when they were actually oppressed through law. You can still hate them and the SJWs are taking it too far, I was just offering an explanation.

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[–] jobes 4 points 10 points (+14|-4) ago 

often promiscuous

The three redheads I've banged were all extremely slutty. Triple teamed one of them with some friends. They have a purpose on this earth.

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[–] ilikeskittles 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

To answer your original question. I believe I read an article that stated that 40% of people that work in news/entertainment self identify as LGBT. So, that gives them a lot of influence as they control the story.

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[–] EatingSteak 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

One of my all-time favorite poems is "First They Came" - about someone who never stood up against oppression because it didn't affect him directly. The 'punch line' is that when it was "his turn" to be oppressed, there was no one left to defend him.

The lesson is that it's not ok to let injustice stand just because it affects a special interest that's not relevant to you.

It's a hot topic at the moment because NC just passed a law saying "well we can't discriminate against you directly, but if any person wants to, they can't get in trouble for it".

And that's unjust. And many more than 4% are standing against it - as they should.

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[–] Al_Rubyx 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

My parents abused me for being gay. I went to gay conversion therapy, I had to protect myself from my dad with a baseball bat, my mom put me in a headlock and punched me in the face for "disrespecting her" (I told a friend I was gay in front of her) and I have mental problems now. I'm only 21. Sure we can get married now, but we can still get fired from our jobs for being gay, which has happened to both my boyfriend and one of my good friends here in Texas. That's a lot more important than marriage to me. I don't know if I was born gay or circumstances made me gay but does it matter?

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[–] middle_path 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

That sucks man, regrettably there is no way to change this under the law and you can't force acceptance on society.

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[–] parrygrin 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Definitely born that way, dude. Look into studies indicating that gay men have a bigger corpus callosum than straight dudes.

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[–] OnlyHalfGay 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

lgbt individuals still get shit on pretty fucking hard just for existing
ive personally experienced a hulk threatening me with breaking my nose out of the blue just cus i looked like a fag a year back
and i live in progressive denmark where shit like this is very unusual

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[–] middle_path 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Sweet user name.

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[–] TheDude2 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Now they are equal and can marry. So it's time to join everyone else and to ostracize the crazies.

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[–] GenellanBound 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

No one wants to give up their weapons as long as they still point at their enemies.

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[–] Aboresh 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Don't you DARE say that Irish lives matter!

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[–] thunder_fuck 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Potato fuckers

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[–] hels 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

The difference is the majority of Asians are proud of their heritage and their family. They want to advance their family, not their color. Blacks are weak and the vast majority of them can't even tell you about their ancestry. All they do is ask for more because of their color.

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[–] neonneophyte 16 points 33 points (+49|-16) ago 

Because society is being dismantled by the insanely wealthy through a left push. :)

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[–] mamwad 7 points 21 points (+28|-7) ago 

The insanely wealthy have little interest in dismantling society. They benefit from it. What they do want, however, is to shape society in a way that makes them wealthier and more powerful.

In terms of social politics, they support what is politically expedient. And they use social politics to distract the public from their meddling with the economic regulations.

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[–] FriedFood100 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The insanely wealthy have little interest in dismantling society.

That's not always true. Sometimes they like to disrupt/dimantle societies to reshape them quickly. It's usually Fabianism, but not always.

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[–] sactostar 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I feel that that is what has been happening. Pit people against each other on stupid moral issues and watch them go ape shit while ignoring the "boring" financial institutions and policies. The reality is if you care about your kids and grand kids and future generations, you would care more about the money train and less about who is literally fucking who.

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[–] raisinade 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Society gives people allegiances, friends, family, religious affiliations, etc. They want all of those things destroyed so they will be under control of a humanity made up of individuals, with no connections, nobody to trust, nobody to turn to. Cogs to be used in their machine.

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[–] LetsBeNakedOutside 8 points 15 points (+23|-8) ago 

So conservatives making a huge part of their platform to single out 4% of the population (freedom to marry, right to refuse service disguised as religious freedom, etc.) Is a "push from the left" to you?

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[–] Clientkill 3 points 10 points (+13|-3) ago 

It would be called a reaction, which is a lot of what conservatism ends up being

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[–] thunder_fuck 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

I think the right is pushing people to the left with these policies. Republicans have spent so much of their energy fighting the LGBT community, abortion, etc and it's only making all of their policies look ridiculous. They've become the party of nosey old men that are stuck in the past in many people's eyes.

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[–] shakin_my_head 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

4% or 50% they would still do it. The point he was trying to make was that ideals are being eroded to make way for an agenda. If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything.

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[–] scorinth 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Don't make the mistake of thinking only one side or the other would stoop so low as to exploit human suffering for political gain. Whenever anything new hits the media, the political elites do not ask themselves "Can I use this to benefit myself?" but rather "How can I use this to benefit myself?"

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[–] cynoclast 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Society is being dismantled by the insanely wealthy by splitting them into left and right.

And you're helping them.

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[–] neonneophyte 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I don't support the right either

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[–] bisteot 4 points 12 points (+16|-4) ago 

Simple, if they would have had equal rights since the beginning they wouldn't be as obnoxious.

But nope, another group of people decided that it was better to deny them equal rights, giving them something to fight for, instead of keeping on their own business.

Laws must be equal for everyone, the same with opportunities, it is the only way to prevent things like the ones you mention.

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[–] fagnig 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

another group of people

Religious authoritarians.

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[–] bisteot 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Basically.

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[–] LetsBeNakedOutside 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

  1. There are Asian pride clubs and festivals where I live, and I'm in the Midwest. Where are you?

  2. So if something only takes up 4% of the population, should they not deserve constitutional protection? I thought it was supposed to be for everyone?

  3. This wasn't really a 'banner issue' for the left (as much as it pains me to say) until some states started banning Gary marriage in the first place. So if anything the Right making it an issue caused several states to be reactive to issue same sex marriage to avoid looking backwards. At least 20% of it I'm sure was just PR.

I'm not being snarky here, I'm just providing my rebuttle.

Also for the record, I hate Shillary with a passion. She only started saying gay marriage was good when it helped her poll numbers, so let's not even drag that wretched bitch into this, she's as bad as any other politician in that way.

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[–] By_The_Water [S] 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

Texas. Houston, actually. Yuge Asian population. No fuss. No one hands me fliers on campus to make me "aware" of them. They are usually quiet and assimilated. Kick-ass restaurants, too.

As to constitutional protection... of course they should have it. The 14th amendment grants them that. I'm not talking about due process and equal protection, I'm talking about being media spammed with a social issue. I am supportive of their right to marry. I just think that this issue is like why we have crazy racial tensions. If your race doesn't matter, it shouldn't matter. Same with sexuality and gender. It's only a big deal because everyone is making it a big deal.

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[–] scorinth 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

No one hands me fliers on campus to make me "aware" of them.

The big reason for this is that LGBT people don't have something as convenient as skin color or eye shape to make them readily visible. As a gay man and a former LGBT activist, the one thing that had the largest effect on convincing people to accept us as equals was when we could get people to realize that we're all around them. When we stopped being "those damn gays" in people's minds and started being "my friends and relatives," it became much harder for people to dislike us.

There's also a secondary effect. If you met me on the street, I'd give 100:1 odds against you noticing that I'm gay, because I look and act like a straight man. So, if you were somebody who didn't like gay people because of how flamboyant and annoying we are, you'd only ever notice the gay guys who fit your idea of how gays act, and so you'd think we all act like that rather than the... I don't know, maybe 50% of us that actually do.

Anyway, the reason I said I'm a "former" LGBT activist is mostly because in the past couple of decades, the LGBT community has been wildly successful at convincing the general public to treat us as equals and, I mean, good lord, I married a man this year. I never thought I would be able to do that in my life. I'm still waiting for the first person to look at me funny or say one disparaging word about it to my face. It's spooky.

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[–] littlemiss 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think if the Asian minority were never given the right to marry and were ostracised from society, there would be flyers and fuss.

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[–] FriedFood100 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

There are Asian pride clubs and festivals where I live, and I'm in the Midwest. Where are you?

Sexual identification /= ethnicity/race .....and I actually haven't heard of Asian pride clubs and festivals, maybe the LGBT crowd can share some of the coverage.

So if something only takes up 4% of the population, should they not deserve constitutional protection? I thought it was supposed to be for everyone?

Strawman

This wasn't really a 'banner issue' for the left (as much as it pains me to say) until some states started banning Gary marriage in the first place. So if anything the Right making it an issue caused several states to be reactive to issue same sex marriage to avoid looking backwards. At least 20% of it I'm sure was just PR.

Look up DOMA signed into law by none other than Bill Clinton.

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[–] Forbin 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Estimates on the percentage of the population that is gay vary, but let's say that 4% is correct. First off, regardless what minority group it is, denying them equality and basic protections under the Constitution is a big deal and is inherently repulsive to many Americans, especially those with enough empathy to realize if prejudice can be invoked to deny a minority their rights, that denial might be inflicted on them as well.

Also, even if only 4% of the population is queer, they have friends and relatives. I have a number of gay friends, acquaintances, and at least one gay nephew. When I see my friends and family treated like shit or discriminated against, I honestly don't like it very much. Up until the 1990s, the majority of gays were in the closet. Once they started coming out and you realized that they were your co-workers, on your intramural team, and in your family it became really difficult to turn a blind eye when folks would badmouth them or try to pass laws to impede them from being treated like "normal" citizens.

As to your comments questioning why gays protest and have pride parades, I must assume you are pretty young. Gays have been treated horribly in this country. They were routinely harassed by cops (see Stonewall), had copious laws criminalizing them just being themselves, were routinely disowned by parents and forced to live in fear or move to metropolitan areas where they become a majority in certain neighborhoods. This allowed them to not be as afraid and even able to celebrate just being themselves. That's how gay-pride stuff came about. As to protests, anybody who was alive from the 60s-90s should know the answer. As mentioned previously, gays were routinely harassed and beaten by cops, not to mention being the victims of hate-crimes that the government refused to prosecute. Then came AIDs when the government (especially the Reagan administration) literally impeded an appropriate medical response, failed to support research, etc., all the while tens of thousands of Americans died of a plague that nobody at the time understood. And the fear surrounding AIDs made a lot of people talk about further repressing gays and even quarantining them. All of this led to the Act-UP movement which birthed modern activism in the community. The fact that a number of (Southern) legislatures and prominent (Republican) politicians talk openly and have taken active steps to repeal laws that ensure their equal treatment under the law require political protests. I don't blame them one iota for refusing to be treated unequally. They're citizens, they pay taxes, and they deserve equal protection under the law.

Now that gays have won the right to marry, and being gay is no longer demonized as widely (not counting the South), you already have older gays lamenting the death of "queer culture." John Waters has been very outspoken about this and he makes a number of good points. Now that being gay doesn't result in folks being marginalized, harassed, and discriminated against, they're basically assimilating into the blase culture of "straight" America and a lot of the outrageous stuff that folks used to associate with being Queer is dying down.

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[–] Devildetails 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Change your language and think about it; only 4% of the population is in slavery why is so much emphasis put on the slaves? It's a reductio ad absurdum argument, I know, but the plight of the minority should be considered. Individuals should not have reduced rights because of an arbitrary difference.

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[–] escapefromredditbay 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

becuase fuck the percentage.

people are people, and what those people do in their own lives, are there own concerns, not anyone elses.

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