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Haiti (race war ending in genocide)
The race war only started because of slavery, the 1804 Haiti massacre wasn't right in any way, but such things are bound to happen in such cases. There were underlying issues, and it in no way supports your conclusion.
Zimbabwe (whites kicked off their farms)
Once again, this was the result of racial tensions, mostly due to the fact that whites, though the minority, were in charge of most of the government.
What you need to understand is that, if white people were being oppressed, and as a result did some stupid things, it would be indicative of a white majority somehow causing issues as it would be an oppressed majority causing issues.
South Africa (an increasingly unbearable environment)
Could you cite something to back this up? Because I've never actually heard a single bad thing about the experiences of whites in South Africa.
For that matter try being a poor white retiree in Detroit or most any heavily non-white neighborhood in the US. The day to day life will consist of bars on the windows, general fear, etc. And that's if things don't get massively worse.
At the very least the quality of life for white people will almost certainly decline as whites lose numbers and consequently power.
Probably not, at least in America, unless the whole police shooting people for being black doesn't stop, in which case there might be a chance of some brief fallout from pent up anger.
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What occurred in Haiti was due to a number of factors: French revolutionary idealism and geopolitical struggle between Britain and France being a couple. Naturally a big part of it also involved a slave revolt too. But the core fundamental that made genocide possible was the demographic situation. Whites were badly outnumbered. It is that eventuality I'd like to see avoided in America. With all of the mulattos and other hybrids now being born and the general trend toward a white minority in this country who knows what reason might be used for outnumbered whites to be attacked in the future? Better they remain a safe majority. A safe majority that didn't exist in Zimbabwe, one might add. And had it existed whites would not have been kicked off their farms by blacks. Simple as that.
In referring to South Africa I wasn't thinking of anything in particular other than my general impressions. But white farmers are subjected to the kind of black on white murder rate that if it existed in reverse would surely be world news. The white population also has shrunk in the lead up to the end of white minority rule and post-Apartheid. White South Africans, seeing the writing on the wall, simply fled the new order. It's fair to say that it's not as bad as it could be nor as bad as some predicted... but it's pretty bad. And if one were to say there is poverty or whatever that would be a cop out as much in South Africa as it is in Detroit. The only point that matters here in either case is that whites are suffering as a racial minority in a way they would not be suffering if they were a racial majority. White South Africans specifically are comparatively peaceful and well off compared to blacks. Living around large numbers of feral savages makes them worse off than they'd be if they were the majority.
That said, hers is one link that comes to mind. In discussing the larger issue of African population explosion and what it means for whites and the world this South African writer also touches on the realities surrounding being a white minority in a heavily black society.
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But the core fundamental that made genocide possible was the demographic situation.
All the demographic situation was was a catalyst, some form of violence was bound to happen because of the factors you had listed before.
It is that eventuality I'd like to see avoided in America. With all of the mulattos and other hybrids now being born and the general trend toward a white minority in this country who knows what reason might be used for outnumbered whites to be attacked in the future?
I think this is paranoia imo,there really isn't any oppression nearly as major as the situation was in Haiti, the worst threat to the black population from white people is racist cops, that's a pretty minor form of oppression compared to what happened in Haiti.
And had it existed whites would not have been kicked off their farms by blacks. Simple as that.
Had the whites there not have been so stupid as to think they could control a population that couldn't relate to them, they would not have been kicked off their farms by blacks, simple as that.
In referring to South Africa I wasn't thinking of anything in particular other than my general impressions
You can't really use that for evidence then, because my general impression is different from yours.
But white farmers are subjected to the kind of black on white murder rate that if it existed in reverse would surely be world news
Citation?
And if one were to say there is poverty or whatever that would be a cop out as much in South Africa as it is in Detroit.
How is it a cop out? There is quite obviously lots of poverty in Detroit and there is a clear correlation between racism, crime and poverty.
The only point that matters here in either case is that whites are suffering as a racial minority in a way they would not be suffering if they were a racial majority.
All flipping the colors does is flip the colors, it doesn't change how many people die, it just changes who dies.
White South Africans specifically are comparatively peaceful and well off compared to blacks.
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That said, hers is one link that comes to mind. In discussing the larger issue of African population explosion and what it means for whites and the world this South African writer also touches on the realities surrounding being a white minority in a heavily black society.
Lets take the UK for example (just because that's where I live), here you can see, the majority of crime is done by white people, why? Because white people are the majority and the more people there are of a group the more crime they will commit. This is consistent with the US.
Living around large numbers of feral savages makes them worse off than they'd be if they were the majority.
Calm it with the name-calling, lets keep this respectful. I haven't called you or people who agree with you anything and I expect you do to do the same when talking about others.
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[–] faissaloo ago
The race war only started because of slavery, the 1804 Haiti massacre wasn't right in any way, but such things are bound to happen in such cases. There were underlying issues, and it in no way supports your conclusion.
Once again, this was the result of racial tensions, mostly due to the fact that whites, though the minority, were in charge of most of the government.
What you need to understand is that, if white people were being oppressed, and as a result did some stupid things, it would be indicative of a white majority somehow causing issues as it would be an oppressed majority causing issues.
Could you cite something to back this up? Because I've never actually heard a single bad thing about the experiences of whites in South Africa.
Again, there are underlying issues for this, though not really race based ones. Detroit is really quite impoverished. Bigotry and crime are rife where people are impoverished.
Probably not, at least in America, unless the whole police shooting people for being black doesn't stop, in which case there might be a chance of some brief fallout from pent up anger.
[–] Joe_McCarthy [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
What occurred in Haiti was due to a number of factors: French revolutionary idealism and geopolitical struggle between Britain and France being a couple. Naturally a big part of it also involved a slave revolt too. But the core fundamental that made genocide possible was the demographic situation. Whites were badly outnumbered. It is that eventuality I'd like to see avoided in America. With all of the mulattos and other hybrids now being born and the general trend toward a white minority in this country who knows what reason might be used for outnumbered whites to be attacked in the future? Better they remain a safe majority. A safe majority that didn't exist in Zimbabwe, one might add. And had it existed whites would not have been kicked off their farms by blacks. Simple as that.
In referring to South Africa I wasn't thinking of anything in particular other than my general impressions. But white farmers are subjected to the kind of black on white murder rate that if it existed in reverse would surely be world news. The white population also has shrunk in the lead up to the end of white minority rule and post-Apartheid. White South Africans, seeing the writing on the wall, simply fled the new order. It's fair to say that it's not as bad as it could be nor as bad as some predicted... but it's pretty bad. And if one were to say there is poverty or whatever that would be a cop out as much in South Africa as it is in Detroit. The only point that matters here in either case is that whites are suffering as a racial minority in a way they would not be suffering if they were a racial majority. White South Africans specifically are comparatively peaceful and well off compared to blacks. Living around large numbers of feral savages makes them worse off than they'd be if they were the majority.
That said, hers is one link that comes to mind. In discussing the larger issue of African population explosion and what it means for whites and the world this South African writer also touches on the realities surrounding being a white minority in a heavily black society.
http://www.amren.com/features/2015/07/an-african-planet/
[–] faissaloo ago
All the demographic situation was was a catalyst, some form of violence was bound to happen because of the factors you had listed before.
I think this is paranoia imo,there really isn't any oppression nearly as major as the situation was in Haiti, the worst threat to the black population from white people is racist cops, that's a pretty minor form of oppression compared to what happened in Haiti.
Had the whites there not have been so stupid as to think they could control a population that couldn't relate to them, they would not have been kicked off their farms by blacks, simple as that.
You can't really use that for evidence then, because my general impression is different from yours.
Citation?
How is it a cop out? There is quite obviously lots of poverty in Detroit and there is a clear correlation between racism, crime and poverty.
All flipping the colors does is flip the colors, it doesn't change how many people die, it just changes who dies.
and
Lets take the UK for example (just because that's where I live), here you can see, the majority of crime is done by white people, why? Because white people are the majority and the more people there are of a group the more crime they will commit. This is consistent with the US.
Calm it with the name-calling, lets keep this respectful. I haven't called you or people who agree with you anything and I expect you do to do the same when talking about others.