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[–] FilmMakingShitlord 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

A really good way to stop it is to help make south America not a shit hole. The easiest way to make it not a shit hole is to hurt the cartels. The easiest (and cheapest) way to hurt the cartels is to legalize drugs in the states.

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[–] TAThatBoomerang 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That would go a long way but it's not only about cartels, it's about oil and other natural resources as well. The elites in USA have a lot of interests and will go to great lengths to preserve them.

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[–] 4491469 [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think this would be the most effective. Money is what really matter and if there were no jobs for illegals there wouldn't be many.

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[–] 4491537 [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I've been hearing someone call for a wall since as long as I have been alive. It is an easy rallying cry but we're not trying to stop mongol hordes. Also what would stop people from climbing the wall?

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[–] 0x4F 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

So dig a trench. We did it with Panama. We built the highways. We sent men to the moon. We can make the beanerlands a fucking island.

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[–] Hey_Sunshine 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

It won't. All it will do is further alienate our neighbors to the south. What it will do is increase business for coyotes, human trafficking prices will skyrocket higher and make things more dangerous than they already are.

A wall won't stop people that are trying to make a better life for themselves and their family. A wall couldn't stop me from getting to America.

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[–] Pylote 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Human trafficking is subsidised by the drug trade, humans are a lower profit side business for the cartel. Drugs would need to be decriminalized and a wall would make the cost to high for wanna be immigrants to try to come across

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[–] Hey_Sunshine 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

But drugs are a detriment to society and should be banned because I don't approve of using them. /s

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[–] xeemee 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Drugs would need to be decriminalized ...

too profitable a business to even consider it

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[–] el_em_en_oh 3 points 8 points (+11|-3) ago 

$25 billion to build a wall... $200 billion/year spent on illegals.

Build wall. Ship back 25 million that are here. Profit.

As for your tunneling under the wall thing, ground-vibration sensors, make the wall as deep as it is high, a "no mans land" 1/2-mile wide with landmines, drone surveillance... it's not that difficult, and will STILL be less expensive to fund than what mexicans cost us now. And we'll actually be GETTING something for our tax-dollars.

Fuck mexico, and the illegals that come here. I sit in traffic for HOURS and HOURS and HOURS because of these worthless assholes that do nothing but not pay taxes, sponge of MY tax-dollars, and breed.

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[–] riskeleton 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I mean I don't NOT see where you're coming from. I just kind of disagree. What do you think about globalization, do you think it's inevitable?

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[–] Gracchi 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I don't agree with him, but globalization is not inevitable. It only seems that way because we elect politicians bribed by companies to keep it that way. There's no force of nature keeping us from scrapping our trade deals for more favorable ones. Especially in the US. We have the people and resources to be as s3pf reliant as we need to be.

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[–] el_em_en_oh 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm not sure I understand the question... do I think that globalization is inevitable? We're pretty much globalized NOW, don't you think? Or maybe you're using the word in a different context. Can you elaborate a little on what you mean?

Personally, I wish we'd jack the import tax rate UP, decrease the corporate tax rate, bring US companies & manufacturing BACK to the US, and stop giving money to countries that fucking hate us. You really think Saudi Arabia are our allies? Sadly, they aren't. On paper, they play the part well, but they support terrorism behind closed doors, and even openly in some cases, then blatantly lie about it.

INTERNALIZATION... I'd like to see a lot more of that. Not 100%, don't misunderstand, but enough to where everyone in this country that WANTS to work, can. Right now, that's not the case. 94 million people out of work??? That's pathetic, for a world power like us.

There's a lot more to the "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" slogan touted by Trump than people think.

I was alive during the good times. I've seen what we're capable of. I've been here. My family is a success, rags to riches story. I'm PROOF that this country can create great people and great things (not saying I'm great or anything, but hopefully you catch my drift).

Sorry for the little rant... done now!

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[–] Skeeterdo 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I like your style. Great imagery, excellent choice of words and overall pretty offensive.

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[–] etzefeck 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

This is quality /\

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[–] el_em_en_oh 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

anal prolapses of dogs?

NICE VISUAL!!!

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[–] risingseraph 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

The crazy part is that I am sure that sensors and manpower to build A deeper wall will take a fuck ton of money . It's also cute how many of the wealthy avoid taxes through loopholes more than illegals ever will, hell there are plenty of natural born citizens that sponge of the system as well. Anyway what the hell Murica, YEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAA!!!! I WANT A WALL!!!!

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[–] el_em_en_oh 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Illegals don't pay taxes... wealthy don't pay taxes either... that's my point (about the illegals).

They are a SEVER burden on the MIDDLE-CLASS.

It's not the wealthy or the poor, it's you and me that foot the bill for all this shit.

Are you okay with that?

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[–] 4491560 [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

So like a demilitarized zone? Do you think that is logistically possible to maintain and patrol?

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[–] el_em_en_oh 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's done on the Korean border... it was done for decades in Berlin...

It does work, if you commit to it.

The middle-class is footing the bill for the illegals in this country, who don't have any skin in the game. They don't pay taxes. They don't pay social-security. They don't pay for healthcare... yet they get food stamps, hospitalization, and even benefits in the form of free schooling, etc.

How is it fair that I pay for them, when they don't pay a single penny into the system?

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[–] riskeleton 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

I agree with you, it probably won't curb it too much and I don't think Congress will approve a wall fund. It doesn't sound good, though, it sounds ridiculous. Everyone is so upset with these people coming over and mooching off America.. but the same people who support the wall, support shutting down Planned Parenthood and other sex ed establishments which leads to an astounding increase in unplanned pregnancies. Even if abortion wasn't an option, these clinics provide education and contraception that leads to a decrease in pregnancies and a decrease in STD/STI in the population.

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[–] etzefeck 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Um, theres plenty of people for the wall who also support Planned parenthood. Nice strawman

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[–] riskeleton 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I didn't mean literally everyone. From my experience, though, those things tend to match up. And I just think it's all kinda hypocritical. We need less people in our country mooching off our government but we'll welcome unplanned pregnancies in our less privileged communities who will need government assistance.

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[–] riskeleton 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I didn't mean literally everyone. From my experience, though, those things tend to match up. And I just think it's all kinda hypocritical. We need less people in our country mooching off our government but we'll welcome unplanned pregnancies in our less privileged communities who will need government assistance.

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[–] FilmMakingShitlord 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

That's not a strawman.

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[–] Sosacms 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It will slow it down but not stop it. But it will also free up resources to find the other access points. I mostly think it's more of a metaphor. Slow down the illegal process and speed up the legal process.

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[–] Ioxvm 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

And you know... actually let the Border Patrol do their job.........

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[–] Free_Speech 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

While the wall will be somewhat effective, people who overstay their visas account for the greater amount of illegal aliens.

What Trump has proposed is a Biometric Database System for visa holders, as well as other criminal penalties, and if they are still in the country after their visa has expired he wants to take them into custody and put them on a plane home.

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[–] binky_is_dead 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Biometric Database System for visa holders

Up next: a national ID card. Papers please.

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[–] Free_Speech 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Or not.

We can keep track of visa visitors and not keep track of citizens at the same time.

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[–] 4491197 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

How is locking your door going to change breaking and entering into your house? Nothing is going to be 100% effective, but a leaky barrier is better than no barrier -- unless you want open boarders, in which case no barrier is better.

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[–] 4491497 [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I completely get where you're coming from I just thinking building a wall is more a kin to having a closed door with an open window next to it. More difficult to get through but still accessible. I'm not necessarily against a wall I just don't know if it's really going to be effective.

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