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[–] ShineShooter 0 points 51 points (+51|-0) ago 

Yes

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[–] wompwompwompwomp3 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

you can only gain experience from doing hands on work in your field of interest as apposed to always sitting in a classroom working on theory. i agree so much

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[–] voat- 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Ehh.. While in the engineering program I acquired a good foundation in problem solving which would have been difficult to get learning on the job. But I learned a fuck ton more on the job then I ever did in school

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[–] middle_path 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Nice and simple answer. Kids walk away with no debt and more knowledge. Then, if they want to change careers, they don't have a fuck load of loan payments to worry about.

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[–] ShineShooter 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Exactly, graduates today are locked into their field. I feel that less standardized education/university would provide people with far more options to expand their experience.

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[–] niggersreggin 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Girls go to college to get more knowledge. Boys go to Jupiter to get even stupider!

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[–] 3858385? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Voat has let me down.

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[–] demi_god_dylan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Trade school. Go to trade school!

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[–] pray_the_gay_away 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

Would have helped me a lot. Modern education is convoluted and directionless.

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[–] mispelledsomething 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Hey man, you HAVE to take this children's literature class in order to effectively program your killer androids. They might not be able to target properly without it.

Don't want those kids getting away, do you?

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[–] Internet_Celeb 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Reflecting on my High School experience after graduating some years ago, this is really all I came up with. I actually learned loads more from Reddit(during the glory days) than I did in High School, save maybe automotive class.

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[–] OldTrux 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

As somebody who is entering an apprenticeship type field, I can tell you I'm am far more excited about learning a specific business and field rather than what is the current model. I dropped out of college and worked full time and it was the best decision I could have made. No regrets and I'm further ahead with no student loans and debt.

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[–] farmer- 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

lucky. the fear of not doing what everyone else is doing kept me from doing that. i'm kicking myself now and i don't even have worthless degrees. i'm going to go watch office space again and dream of manual labor

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[–] mamwad 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

If you're interested in this idea, I suggest you read The Unschooled Mind by educational psychologist Howard Gardner. He offers some deep insights into why children don't learn in schools, why they learn under apprenticeships, and how to reform the education system to apply more natural methods of learning to public education.

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[–] littlemikemac 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It is kind of sad that public schools serve no purpose other that as a daycare/social club.

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[–] idle_voating 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm getting a copy now.

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

We learned the best I kindergarten.

Simply put: desks ended our schooling. Only about 10% excel in an environment with desks.

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[–] 3856213? 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I'm a journeyman, and proud of it.

If we moved to apprenticeship "instead of" public school, it would be a disaster.

There's a few reasons.

First and most importantly there are so many things you can't teach in an apprenticeship.

I'm here to train an apprentice in my trade, not to raise your kids. I'm not here to teach them to read and write. I'm not here to teach them numbers. I'm not here to teach them arithmatic. I'm not here to teach them world history. I'm not here to teach them to balance their bankbook or how to use a condom. I'm certainly not here to discipline them. If your kids can't do those basic things, don't expect me to wreck my career spoon feeding it to them.

Secondly, there aren't enough apprenticeships to go around as it stands. Almost 50% of journeymen in my jurisdiction become so by taking a longer, more difficult and expensive route of paying to become educated in post-secondary school then working uncertified in the field until they challenge their trade exam. If you suddenly dumped millions of kids into the apprenticeship market, less than 0.1% of students would get an apprenticeship.

Thirdly, construction, crafts, and heavy industry aren't daycares. These jobs are dangerous for adults, and it would be wantonly reckless to suddenly dump a bunch of untrained toddler into these environments.

Fourthly, it would crucify global competitiveness. You'd end up with companies spending more resources trying to wrangle kids than actually making products. If you think china is kicking our ass now, just imagine if we did this.

Fifth, it would induce massive structural unemployment. Suddenly dumping millions of workers into the economy, companies would deal with it by placing them in jobs adults are presently doing. Good luck getting a job at McDonalds when they have 250 local apprentices there.

I could go on all day, but it's just a bad idea. Without hyperbole, the results would be cataclysmic.

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[–] Zardoz 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I get what you're saying and lots of great points in there but what I'd say is this:

Definitely do not need to put teens in trades instead of school. They can continue being Grade 11 and 12 students but they can be in shop class and having people like you teaching classes. Yes, they can continue doing certain levels of math, science, english but they don't need to be working towards college entrance levels.

We did this before and somehow it worked. Needs to be a way to do it again so we don't end up with the nearing cataclysmic resutls of today: a massive generation of 18 and 20 years old who are going to college for 4 years and leaving with massive debts being totally unnecessary in the real world BUT also having no actual skilled-labour skills whatsoever. That is already happening now.

There has to be something in that middle.

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[–] frankenmine 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This is happening naturally. As SJWs infiltrate the educational system and render it more and more useless, more and more students are opting out of a college education, and more and more parents are deciding to homeschool. It's only a small step from that to apprenticeship.

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[–] femtogression 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Chicken Vs Egg. They created and enabled them. It is to their benefit that they now be seen as the helpless victims of their own making. Bear in mind the contrast as to how OWS protestors were handled by universities versus SJW cry bullies where they can't kowtow fast enough. So in other words they are not infiltrating the system they are a product of it.

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[–] Tb0n3 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Not nearly enough teachers. Especially with how they're treated.

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[–] IggyReilly 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

My state has this kind of apprenticeship for trades. My son at 16 will be starting as an apprentice to an electrician this summer. By the time he's 18, he'll be certified. And his starting pay is going to be 10 an hour. I'm trying to encourage his friends to take a similar path; maybe if people stop wasting money on a college education the value of said education will increase over time.

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That's a remarkably low starting pay even for a simple electrician.

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[–] IggyReilly 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I mean, he's starting with no experience or education as an apprentice in an area where $10 an hour is a livable wage for a single adult (albeit, not the most glamorous lifestyle). For someone at 16, $10 an hour is good pay around here. I think once he's licensed, his pay jumps to $35-40/hour. Masters around here make about $75/hour.

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