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Yes. But in the interest of making money, some colleges build state-of-the-art facilities to attract both high level researchers and students.
It is similar to the pharmaceutical industry. Do they market unnecessary drugs to people and doctors in an effort to make more money? Definitely. But that money enables them to research and cure actual diseases.
Both are a necessary evil. The real question is, at what point do the evils outweigh the benefits?
No, but they have become less concerned with educatiing and more with making money. They have introduced several new subjects in social sciences whose beliefs are detrimental to the career and well being of graduates.
These are easy subjects and good sells. It's better than having hundreds of people dropping out because Engineering is too difficult. Keep the money streams flowing.
I think they're broken, at the very least. Mine did nothing to actually teach me how to accomplish practical things I would use outside academia, and wasted vast amounts of my time with irrelevant nonsense.
It's the most money I've ever spent to be treated like cattle.
They're the largest source of unpaid labor in the country (internships).
They use public money to pay for political campaigns. The UC system was the biggest single contributor to Obama.
There are a lot of problems with how colleges are run today. They're almost have a similar level of institutional power as the Catholic church did before Reformation.
The issue is that historically there were two forms of higher education: job training and upper class elite social education. In the 50 and 60s they started to merge. People were going to college more for job training and a little bit of the well-rounded extra education. Now days, it really neither. The upper class elite education which was to provoke thought and discussion has been reduced to route memorization and regurgitation, yet this is being presented as job training, or at the very least somehow relevant to later careers. With a few exceptions, such as engineering and medicine, this is certainly not the case. Yet, because we as a society believe that is is this combination of upper class, mind expanding education for the global citizen and job training, we constantly push the narrative that everyone needs to go to college for something or anything. People buy into this so much that states will pay for citizens to go to college with taxpayer money, making it easier for the lower class to get a degree. With rates higher than ever, it is the middle class that is being shut out of our new service oriented economy.
Some yes, but I think most care more about reputation than even money, or by having a good reputation it will bring in more money. Many of these places have a history of producing great thinkers and want to continue to follow that tradition. You think the president of Harvard would sell out? Few things are as prestigious as operating one of the most respected institutes in America, even money couldn't compare.
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corruption: dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery
any paid form of work technically fits the definition of corruption. the only true non-corrupt actions are done voluntarily with no expectation of payment. as such the vast majority of labor is corruption, and the colleges are not exempt from this. corruption is only a problem when it harms people who are not part of the deal in a tangible way.
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[–] thesuperpapagai [S] 0 points 15 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago
More specifically, do you tink colleges operate more in the interests of making money that educating their students.
[–] prodigyx 1 point 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) ago
Yes. But in the interest of making money, some colleges build state-of-the-art facilities to attract both high level researchers and students.
It is similar to the pharmaceutical industry. Do they market unnecessary drugs to people and doctors in an effort to make more money? Definitely. But that money enables them to research and cure actual diseases.
Both are a necessary evil. The real question is, at what point do the evils outweigh the benefits?
[–] culofiesta 2 points 7 points 9 points (+9|-2) ago
No, but they have become less concerned with educatiing and more with making money. They have introduced several new subjects in social sciences whose beliefs are detrimental to the career and well being of graduates.
These are easy subjects and good sells. It's better than having hundreds of people dropping out because Engineering is too difficult. Keep the money streams flowing.
[–] TimberWolfAlpha 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
I think they're broken, at the very least. Mine did nothing to actually teach me how to accomplish practical things I would use outside academia, and wasted vast amounts of my time with irrelevant nonsense.
It's the most money I've ever spent to be treated like cattle.
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[–] TimberWolfAlpha ago
I quit their game a long time ago. But I can still be bitter about the waste.
[–] Diogenes_The_Cynic 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
They're the largest source of unpaid labor in the country (internships).
They use public money to pay for political campaigns. The UC system was the biggest single contributor to Obama.
There are a lot of problems with how colleges are run today. They're almost have a similar level of institutional power as the Catholic church did before Reformation.
[–] Heresyoursign 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
The issue is that historically there were two forms of higher education: job training and upper class elite social education. In the 50 and 60s they started to merge. People were going to college more for job training and a little bit of the well-rounded extra education. Now days, it really neither. The upper class elite education which was to provoke thought and discussion has been reduced to route memorization and regurgitation, yet this is being presented as job training, or at the very least somehow relevant to later careers. With a few exceptions, such as engineering and medicine, this is certainly not the case. Yet, because we as a society believe that is is this combination of upper class, mind expanding education for the global citizen and job training, we constantly push the narrative that everyone needs to go to college for something or anything. People buy into this so much that states will pay for citizens to go to college with taxpayer money, making it easier for the lower class to get a degree. With rates higher than ever, it is the middle class that is being shut out of our new service oriented economy.
[–] Phuffu 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Some yes, but I think most care more about reputation than even money, or by having a good reputation it will bring in more money. Many of these places have a history of producing great thinkers and want to continue to follow that tradition. You think the president of Harvard would sell out? Few things are as prestigious as operating one of the most respected institutes in America, even money couldn't compare.
[–] greycloud 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
any paid form of work technically fits the definition of corruption. the only true non-corrupt actions are done voluntarily with no expectation of payment. as such the vast majority of labor is corruption, and the colleges are not exempt from this. corruption is only a problem when it harms people who are not part of the deal in a tangible way.
[–] 3774621? 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
yes definitely
-guy who grew up in Chapel Hill