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[–]l-emmerdeur0 points
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yeah but who today, at least in the US, lives without benefiting from all of that? who has made the money allowing them to live 'independent' without capitalizing on that infrastructure? what business would be able to operate without that stuff?
To me, it seems having the means to be 'independent' required, at one point, taking advantage of all of those things, then turning around and saying they're mad they have to pay for it now.
Like, I can't think of a modern example of someone who was raised by parents whose economic survivability didn't depend on government infrastructure- including the intangibles like winning world war 2, etc. Then, after being brought up by parents who didn't benefit from them, managed to make their own way to adulthood without those same government services. This goes beyond "i never called the cops." I mean you benefit by a police presence that has systemically reduced crime to make neighborhoods livable, as an example.
The gains aren't always tangible, and I can't see someone getting through life without using them.
Businesses absolutely not. I was talking more on an individual level. I also was not defending people whining about it, just getting around it the best they can. Like I said, I agree with you - there would be no growth. It would be exactly like an apocalypse if no one paid taxes. We would go back at least 100 years, making it extremely difficult to survive at the least.
You can't fully get away from it, but you can at least subsist the best you can. I barter with firewood (this is mostly how I rent my house, so no prop taxes), grow my own shit, I DO have electricity and water, have a farm use truck so I don't pay DMV much but I DO use the roads... I understand the importance of taxes maybe even more so than those that live in a city... I guess my point was people need to be more aware. So I guess to a certain point we agree.
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[–] l-emmerdeur 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
yeah but who today, at least in the US, lives without benefiting from all of that? who has made the money allowing them to live 'independent' without capitalizing on that infrastructure? what business would be able to operate without that stuff?
To me, it seems having the means to be 'independent' required, at one point, taking advantage of all of those things, then turning around and saying they're mad they have to pay for it now.
Like, I can't think of a modern example of someone who was raised by parents whose economic survivability didn't depend on government infrastructure- including the intangibles like winning world war 2, etc. Then, after being brought up by parents who didn't benefit from them, managed to make their own way to adulthood without those same government services. This goes beyond "i never called the cops." I mean you benefit by a police presence that has systemically reduced crime to make neighborhoods livable, as an example.
The gains aren't always tangible, and I can't see someone getting through life without using them.
[–] RudeBuddha 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Businesses absolutely not. I was talking more on an individual level. I also was not defending people whining about it, just getting around it the best they can. Like I said, I agree with you - there would be no growth. It would be exactly like an apocalypse if no one paid taxes. We would go back at least 100 years, making it extremely difficult to survive at the least.
You can't fully get away from it, but you can at least subsist the best you can. I barter with firewood (this is mostly how I rent my house, so no prop taxes), grow my own shit, I DO have electricity and water, have a farm use truck so I don't pay DMV much but I DO use the roads... I understand the importance of taxes maybe even more so than those that live in a city... I guess my point was people need to be more aware. So I guess to a certain point we agree.