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I think people fail to appreciate how vital infrastructure is. Roads, water, electricity- all of these things would make starting/running businesses, building houses prohibitively expensive. Growth would end. What's left of social mobility would be erased.
I totally agree that people take most of that for granted. There's also something to be said for people that don't completely depend on the government. One could almost say they are happier without being locked in to society. By adhering to what is normal you begin to accept that there is only one way to live.
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yeah but who today, at least in the US, lives without benefiting from all of that? who has made the money allowing them to live 'independent' without capitalizing on that infrastructure? what business would be able to operate without that stuff?
To me, it seems having the means to be 'independent' required, at one point, taking advantage of all of those things, then turning around and saying they're mad they have to pay for it now.
Like, I can't think of a modern example of someone who was raised by parents whose economic survivability didn't depend on government infrastructure- including the intangibles like winning world war 2, etc. Then, after being brought up by parents who didn't benefit from them, managed to make their own way to adulthood without those same government services. This goes beyond "i never called the cops." I mean you benefit by a police presence that has systemically reduced crime to make neighborhoods livable, as an example.
The gains aren't always tangible, and I can't see someone getting through life without using them.
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[–] l-emmerdeur 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I think people fail to appreciate how vital infrastructure is. Roads, water, electricity- all of these things would make starting/running businesses, building houses prohibitively expensive. Growth would end. What's left of social mobility would be erased.
[–] RudeBuddha 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I totally agree that people take most of that for granted. There's also something to be said for people that don't completely depend on the government. One could almost say they are happier without being locked in to society. By adhering to what is normal you begin to accept that there is only one way to live.
[–] l-emmerdeur 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
yeah but who today, at least in the US, lives without benefiting from all of that? who has made the money allowing them to live 'independent' without capitalizing on that infrastructure? what business would be able to operate without that stuff?
To me, it seems having the means to be 'independent' required, at one point, taking advantage of all of those things, then turning around and saying they're mad they have to pay for it now.
Like, I can't think of a modern example of someone who was raised by parents whose economic survivability didn't depend on government infrastructure- including the intangibles like winning world war 2, etc. Then, after being brought up by parents who didn't benefit from them, managed to make their own way to adulthood without those same government services. This goes beyond "i never called the cops." I mean you benefit by a police presence that has systemically reduced crime to make neighborhoods livable, as an example.
The gains aren't always tangible, and I can't see someone getting through life without using them.