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[–] illremedy 0 points 51 points (+51|-0) ago 

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/2v7kx3/guy_exposed_a_cabal_of_users_taking_over_reddit/

Lots of people aren't satisfied with what seems to be going on in the background with subreddit management, shadowbans, etc and prefer a more transparent alternative. Another point is that there are users who claim that Reddit was much better with fewer users. I wasn't on Reddit very early, so I can't say whether or not that is true but I can understand why people say that.

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[–] avatar 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Latching onto your comment to explain another aspect of it...

One of the things that is really causing users agro is the fact that some users of significant 'power', ie: moderation over multiple big subreddits, are SJW zealots and are starting to censor the new queues if they see things they disagree with.

Not to mention that a large number of these power users are major constituents of toxic communities or are, themselves, toxic contributors.

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[–] King_of_America 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

On of the biggest problems is having super mods that are in charge of 50+ subs. I understand that getting people to mod subs with large user number for free is not something you look in the mouth to hard. Still there needs to be a bit of restraint and if there was a better way of making formal group complaints against abusive super mods I think the shift over to other sites would be not have the power behind it that it does over these last few years. This alternative is working well it seems due to the ease of transition, unlike the great Hubski migration a few years back.

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[–] 0x5f3759df 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

This is my main concern about reddit nowadays. It's not so much that reddit was better with fewer users, it is the type of users that matter (and the corrupt and incompetent admins).

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[–] brianpurkiss 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

There's also a lot of controversy about some of those mods being paid by large companies to silence competetors.

I know there was some stirring up claiming that some auto companies were paying /r/technology/ mods to delete all Tesla posts, despite the community making it quite clear they wanted to see Tesla posts.

I like reddit. I don't buy into most of Voat user's anti-reddit hype. (Although I am extremely intrigued by a number of the mechanics here on Voat...)

That being said, I do think there should be something done to breakup the group of mods who control a lot of the large/default subs.

Or possibly some way to force mods to listen more to the community. For example, /r/technology/ users wanting to see Tesla posts despite the mods not wanting Tesla posts.

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[–] Chrisjex 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It would be interesting if there was an implementation of a democracy system for mods of major subs.

i.e. monthly voting for mods etc.

Although I doubt that would work, it would be interesting to try.

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[–] 44900? 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm personally not a fan of the community of /r/conspiracy, but this is a really concise post and definitely worthwhile. You should consider posting it to /v/meanwhileonreddit or a similar subverse here. It's quite informative.

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[–] Postredditor 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The community of /r/conspiracy is also laden with shills and people just like those described in this guys post. The mod team there specifically works towards discrediting the reputation of "conspiracy theorists" (Isn't that a convenient blanket term) by posting all kinds of anti-jewish, hitler apologist links on the sidebar that make the userbase look insane. They refuse to moderate obvious trolls, and any of their "arguments" towards skeptics is a sea of garbled altnews links with no credibility whatsoever.

I have never in my fucken life met an open-minded individual who questions the official stories ("conspiracy theorist") that talk about/focuses on Jews/holocaust denial so much as the mods of /r/conspiracy. It's a ludicrous, asinine proposal that would make anybody looking in think "Nope, these fuckers are NUTS"

Myself and many others who used to visit the sub before it was popular are well aware of this, it has changed considerably in the past few years. Again, what better way to keep a skeptic a skeptic? Discredit the shit out of the people whose information they are listening to. Conspiracies are a reality, have been for hundreds of years. Not all of us "theorists" should be lumped in with those who lack critical thinking and observation skills. I don't latch onto whatever story I read and spout it as truth, neither do a lot of us. We try to research, think, observe history, I'm not out to confirm any suspicion I have for any goal. Unfortunately the dumbest are also the loudest in this situation.

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[–] illremedy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I don't subscribe to a lot of the theories on /r/conspiracy but I have found that interesting items do stay up much longer in there due to the nature of the subreddit.

Everyone on /v/meanwhileonreddit seems to have a decent grasp of what's going on in more detail, see Avatar's reply as well....I think that I've painted the whole situation with a broad brush without mention of specific issues.

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[–] mneln ago 

It's "controlled opposition." Of course /r/conspiracy will be the only place to allow discussion, because anything posted there instantly loses it's credibility to normal users. Even the word "conspiracy" is enough to shut down discussion these days.

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[–] program 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Ever since SubredditDrama and Circlebroke became compromised it was inevitable. SRD was originally anti-SJW (effectively the original AntiSRS), CB was conservative by reddit standards. I was on both subreddits when they were less than 1000 people and observed the "marxist" infection. (I hate to call them marxist but they resemble them).

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[–] ApertureLabia 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

If you like drama but hate SRD, /r/thepopcornstand is far less active but uncompromised. And yeah, I remember the early days of SRD with u/LordGaGa at the helm. Shit was fun back then. I think one of the meta bots really fucked things up by bringing in thousands and thousands of idiots.

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[–] sayyestothejess 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I've noticed that whenever anyone mentions the infection, it's only those who actually witnessed a takeover in real time that believe. Everyone else thinks it's exaggerated and could never happen.

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[–] happycatsunshine ago 

I had not been aware that the shadowbanning was happening until my husband pointed it out and pointed me in the direction of this website.

I was not on reddit early on either so I do not know if it was better but I have noticed a lot of posts being removed recently by people who found the posts to be offensive in some way.

Anyway, thank you for this thread, good conversation to have.

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[–] ClitoralCommander 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Is it just me, or has there been an rapidly growing number of sites that have been exposed for censorship and unethical behavior? Does anyone have any ideas for what started this, or is it just a weird perception on my part?

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[–] Postredditor 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I personally believe that there are government agencies that work around the clock to subvert websites like Digg, Reddit, 4chan etc. It would honestly be silly for them not to, if you think about it. Millions of people freely exchanging ideas, many of them critical thinkers. We could really get to the bottom of some shit if they didn't step in. Did we all forget so soon that the "Most Addicted to Reddit" city in 2013 was Eglin Air Force Base, FL? Isn`t that a little... bizarre?

I don't entirely believe that this "secret cabal" of users is just random awkward kids. I do believe that many of the top, high ranked mods/users on Reddit are now actively working shills. Some of them always were, some of the accounts were paid for. I actually think this post about the cabal is yet another half truth we're being offered, and the reason is to make everybody think that it's just some popularity contest a bunch of neckbeards are involved in. Effectively, to deflect attention from the fact that there are political and corporate interests controlling the site via some of those accounts, and have done the same on other sites. Doesn't anyone notice the modus operandi with the downfall of these sites is always the same? Isn't that a little odd?

All they want to do is stifle discussion between normal people like you and I, who just want to discuss and learn new things. They do their best to degrade all "dangerous" political/corporate/pharmaceutical/you name it comment sections, into black and white issues, name-calling, insults, etc.

Generally you will find most of the critical thinking users in the comment sections these days downvoted, and replied to by 1-3 accounts doing nothing but namecalling/ignoring everything the user said and responding with some kind of deflection or diversionary statement that doesn't address any points.

There are all kinds of resources detailing teams of online agents paid to do this on public forums, they do exist and they do have a motive: Controlling perception. You can be sure they're already keeping an eye on voat.co as well.

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[–] HeavyHebrew 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

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[–] lobo76 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

> Doesn't anyone notice the modus operandi with the downfall of these sites is always the same? Isn't that a little odd?

Unless that's just how people work in general, the bastards.

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[–] ClitoralCommander 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

I'm not that paranoid, but I'm certainly open to the idea. In certain subreddits, and in 4chan as of late, that is definitely true.

The issue is always about justification. Using very racist, sexist, and downright illegal boards or subreddits as an excuse, administrators hold a large amount of power, and can easily change the public's perception on those sites. That's why the quality of the administrators is very important to me. I respect the 8chan admin, and the voat admins seem pretty good (as far as I've been able to tell). Hopefully this place can grow to become a powerhouse of free speech.

One thing that I also hope that we try to establish here is the concept of downvoting only for comments that don't contribute to the thread. I'm not sure of the best way to encourage this, but I believe that this is an excellent way for us to establish ourselves as a good community.

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[–] Cat 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Didn't it also happen to Something Awful? I seem to recall that there was some exodus of sorts, where the content generators (both good and stomach-turning) gradually became overwhelmed by SJW's and moved on to greener pastures. In fact, wasn't the progression something like 4chan to SA to Digg to Reddit or something?

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[–] 44861? 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

Gamergate.

Seriously the catalyst was gamergate, I can understand if you are skeptical but hear me out.

The scandal that broke GG was really nothing special, it wasnt any more juicy than any of the other gaming scandals of the past ~5 years, put plainly it would have been forgotten in 2-3 weeks under normal circumstances.

However it turns out the person at the center of the scandal was in with the san-fran SJW crowd, the result was mass censorship and "gamers are dead" coordinated hit pieces.

Then sites other than reddit stated censoring anything gamergate related, it was creepy how deep the rabbit hole went, especially when 4chan started censoring people.

Since then the GG movement has documented many instances of censorship and bias and many follow on events have uncovered it further (The fappening, metareddit, Wikipedia arbcom), the corruption and censorship was always there it seems except now it is more visible.

While gg might not have been the main cause It was definitely a catalyst.

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[–] ClitoralCommander 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Yeah, GG was probably the main catalyst for the imageboard sites. For reddit, it was probably a combination of that and the fappening. Metareddit is what introduced me to this site. Hopefully there will be more catalysts to enlighten other users of reddit and other sites.

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[–] Aliwalka 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

"The scandal that broke GG was really nothing special, it wasnt any more juicy than any of the other gaming scandals of the past ~5 years, put plainly it would have been forgotten in 2-3 weeks under normal circumstances."

Yep. This. The moment 4chan and reddit started censoring it the floodgates opened.

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[–] in 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Have Voat silver! Imgur

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[–] SnowWombat 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It was all fine.... until the fat nation attacked.

SJW's have completely taken over at this point, with the express approval of the admins.

Time to abandon ship for Voat! :D

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[–] ArchangelleKaradzic 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

>It was all fine.... until the fat nation attacked.

Case in point: the FA takeover of, of all places, /r/gonewildcurvy. They already have /r/gonewildplus, but they just had to continue making "curvy" a euphemism for fat.

That's nothing, though. Any feminist sub, "fat-shaming" is verboten. This isn't unique to Reddit, either. Most American women, I would never want to marry, because American culture feeds them ego and fatlogic, which you don't get with Thai or Japanese women. In some countries, there are overweight people and that's perfectly fine with me but you don't see a predominance of Dependapotamus-sized hambeasts, or thinking that it's normal to baloon up to unfuckable sizes after you've secured a husband or have a kid. You're not eating for two, you're supposed to be eating for yourself and one tiny person; the only practical reason for eating constantly is to ward off morning sickness and it's not impossible to at least watch your fucking portion sizes once the pregnancy is over.

>Time to abandon ship for Voat! :D

I'm not migrating fully from Reddit until I get inline imgur (and all other images, for that matter) and time-skipped Youtube links.

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[–] SnowWombat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

/r/GWnerdy was another victim of the fatties rampage.

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[–] lememeface 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

-( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)╯╲___卐卐卐卐 Don't mind me just taking the mods for a walk

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[–] dude 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I just really hope they fucking stay there. Keep that fucking place, it's just getting shittier with time.

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[–] wolfflame21 [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Good info. Thanks

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[–] repoman 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

> Voat Silver, STAT!

Platinum - it's worth a lot more than gold

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[–] Aliwalka ago 

Weapons Grade Plutonium maybe?

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[–] mscomies 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It's the same Digg power users + bury brigade scandal all over again. Only these guys are leftist wingnuts instead of rightist wingnuts, and they're a lot less subtle than the Digg patriots ever were.

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