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[–] Stoic [M] 5 points 153 points (+158|-5) ago  (edited ago)

I'm back and immediately changed rule #1, something I never agreed with and argued against.

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[–] CeeFiveActual 0 points 73 points (+73|-0) ago 

no soapboxing

Seen this a lot on Reddit via /r/undelete. Usually means "deleted because some mod disagrees with the politics."

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[–] zambeezy 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

That is what I questioned /u/Stoic about, although I think he thought I was asking about editing rule 1. I wasn't very clear in my question so I accept all fault.

That edit to rule 3 to include soapboxing was completely unnecessary and the mod who changed it should be removed immediately.

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[–] ChillyHellion 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think that rules work best when paired with clear definitions. It's okay to have rules against things like "clickbait" and "low effort posts", but it's better for everyone if those rules are paired with very clear definitions on what qualifies as those things. It prevents selective enforcement and means that mods can't (and don't have to) come up with interpretations on the fly. It also allows mods to point to very clear violations when they occur and have the definitions on paper to back them up. Transparency, clarity, and safeguards against selective enforcement. Well defined rules are much harder to apply unfairly.

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[–] imkharn 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

For those of us catching up? What was rule 1 changed from?

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[–] Stoic 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Post titles must include a question "?"

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[–] CptCmdrAwesome [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Just FYI, and apologies for the double reply, I have updated the original post to clarify the intent of it. Welcome back, and good luck.

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[–] CptCmdrAwesome [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Finally, common sense prevails. It's a good start.

[–] [deleted] 1 points 55 points (+56|-1) ago 

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[–] CptCmdrAwesome [S] 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

If the last few minutes are any indication, I'm hoping he understands and shares our collective frustration, and is willing and capable of salvaging this debacle. I worded the post in the way I did because I assumed all other moderators were inactive.

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[–] FitMachoNaziAtheist 2 points 20 points (+22|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Went back to reddit, voat is no different.

[–] [deleted] 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

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[–] TheMindlessInn 4 points 43 points (+47|-4) ago  (edited ago)

This is hardly fare as most new people can not yet down vote

Edit: I do not mean that the restriction on downvoating is not needed but upvoting or downvoting to signify agreement / disagreement will not be representative as many people can only voat one way

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[–] Needle 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Also because downvotes will have the side effect of giving the poll less exposure, whereas upvotes increase it. Nice democratic voting system.

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[–] SlimThuggins 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

I don't want you to take this poorly, but people who haven't been part of the community long enough to have 100 CCP don't really have a place voting anyway.

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[–] TheMindlessInn 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yes but they can still up vote As a side note, I was mostly a lurker I can say that I spent 2 year on reddit and had less then 100 comment karma at the end.

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[–] CptCmdrAwesome [S] 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

The restriction on downvoating is there for reasons which I support at this time. If you had a point to make regarding what we are actually discussing, or if your account was more than one day old, I would have been willing to downvoat my own post on your behalf.

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[–] TheMindlessInn 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

I do not mean that the restriction on downvoating is not needed but upvoting or downvoting to signify agreement / disagreement will not be representative as many people can only voat one way.

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[–] 90in-270out 7 points 25 points (+32|-7) ago 

fuck @she

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[–] 90in-270out 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

lol 6 downvoats from her and her 5 cronies. thanks guys

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[–] TelescopiumHerscheli 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

I feel that /u/she should definitely step down from all moderation positions immediately. This is not just because of the recent debacle in /v/AskVoat, but also because /u/she has demonstrated a desire to repress legal free speech in another sub by reporting that sub to the FBI. Whilst I personally do not support the sub in question (/v/youngladies), so far as I can tell it is not posting illegal content. However, /u/she doesn't like the sub, and, being unable to shut it down from within Voat, has attempted to get outside law enforcement involved, largely for what seem to be intimidatory reasons. I think it's pretty obvious that /u/she wants to control what other people say, even when it's legal. I don't have a problem with someone like that being a member of Voat (though I would rather they weren't, and I certainly wouldn't want to be friends with such a person), but I do feel strongly that a person like that should not be a mod of any sub at all. I hope that /u/she will resign all mod-ships immediately.

I'm largely uncomfortable with /u/shiny because he/she seems to have supported /u/she beyond the point when common-sense would have dictated that it would have been better to encourage /u/she to resign as moderator of this sub. This may be due to misplaced loyalty, but it's left me fairly mistrustful of /u/shiny. It might be better for /u/shiny to resign, or at least take a leave of absence.

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[–] Fools_gambit 5 points 12 points (+17|-5) ago 

@Stoic possibly time for you to /v/subverserequest /v/askvoat , even if just to hold it in interim and possibly bin the SJW mods.

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[–] CptCmdrAwesome [S] 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

This is something I would be inclined to support as an interim measure with the removal of @she and @shiny, a full review of the rules in plain sight of the community, and the bringing on of several additional active mods on a probationary basis.

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[–] Fools_gambit 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Would love to see the grammar and spelling Nazi attitude from Reddit get dropped in general by voaters though.

edit: lol I made a spelling mistake myself.

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[–] zoetry 3 points 11 points (+14|-3) ago 

I'll be posting a 'What do you think of this deleted post?' once they delete this "for not asking a question"

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[–] CptCmdrAwesome [S] 4 points 2 points (+6|-4) ago 

Hahaha :P Yeah I was fully aware when posting it technically violates that dumb rule, but then it does so only for exactly the same reasons as the sticky which went up a few hours ago.

If they delete it given the current situation, I would personally be surprised. Fundamentally, a question is being asked.

(from one of my other posts)

I have seen in the modlog a bunch of stuff getting deleted that were clearly questions, but because most of these didn't have an actual question mark, they were deleted. Not only is this weapons grade stupidity, as well as a frankly staggering (I would say wilfully ignorant and destructive) misinterpretation of linguistics, it is not universally enforced. If the rule is genuinely that important, replace her with a half page shell script and let's all continue about our business.

Cheers :)

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[–] zoetry 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

"But question marks drive traffic!" -Shiny, probably.

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[–] Zardoz 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Whoever added no soapboxing pretty much just showed up to declare censorship and mod-run opinions is in full-swing.

Mods shouldn't be doing anything but removing obvious proper spam, obviously commercial adverts and watching out for censorship gimmick games like "topic stacking" where brigades (or a single person) deliberately add 30 new topics to push a disliked topic "off the page". that kind of shit.

Otherwise, people can "Soapbox" all they like. Soapboxing really is the original internet forum before the internet. Soapbox rants in the park were MADE for that and are designated to be there and strictly protected. Soapboxes would be awesome graphic symbols for freedom of speech from Reddit btw. Soapbox is a great name for a free speech forum.

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