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[–] Kookus_ 4 points 37 points (+41|-4) ago 

you can't change a broken system when you rely on said broken system.

we've already shown the fallacy of using imaginary internet points and how keyboard warriors jerk off to their karma count and downvoat anything that causes them butthurt. this system is flawed and relies on mere popularity of opinion vs actual profoundness of thought.

until we remove this faggot karma system, we'll forever live in a world where insecure keyboard jockeys desperately try to win the validation of strangers over the internet.

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[–] Zekethephoenix 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

So how do we keep interesting things on the front page and troll posts off without upvoats/downvoats? Would we instead just have upvoats and don't record them in any visible way?

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[–] Kookus_ 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago  (edited ago)

we still need the upvoats and downvoats, but we should skew the algorithm towards UPVOATING that way people have to actively fight for what they want to see vs. complain about what they don't want to see. and of course we need to remove the karma system entirely. you shouldn't get any points for your posts as that just encourages circlejerking instead of intelligent discussion. the upvoats and downvoats can still be recorded on each individual post and they still should count, but the user shouldn't get anything.

The only people threatened by the loss of karma are insecure keyboard warriors looking for the approval of total strangers. Intelligent people want the discussion not the imaginary internet points.

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[–] lodecesky 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

No down. only up-votes Simple and clean.

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[–] XPS 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The submissions should just be ranked by page views, no voting. If it caught your interest enough to click, then it goes up in value. Comment points should be discontinued, there is no value there.

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

(you can't change a broken system when you rely on said broken system.)

Hey, kinda like American politics.

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[–] munk_e_man 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If you want that it already exists on 4chan. Votes are useful for getting momentum on quality posts and identifying users who are shitposting/trolling instead of offering proper content.

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[–] Kookus_ 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

no it doesn't already exist on 4chan. you're definitely confused.

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[–] coolico 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Maybe if the admins made it possible to permanently alter the subverse style it would work if you wanted to.

Reddit makes it possible to remove the downvoat button, but you have the option to view the subreddit with it's original style and still downvoat a comment. Perhaps if we could alter this and not make it possible to revert this changes by going to the original style we could let the mods decide whether they want to:

  • Remove downvoat (and avoid people to try to remove arguments they disagree),
  • Remove the number of upvoats and downvoats comments have on threads
  • Or even ban voating at all (4chan style).

It would be great if mods had this power and it would influence the users to subscribe to a subverse or not, if you want to remove karma whores or people that can't handle discussion.

This way we could make everyone happy with the system.

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[–] Kookus_ 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This way we could make everyone happy with the system.

This is your first problem. Your goal is to make everyone happy at the cost of being PRACTICAL.

Somebody will always be offended. Our goal should be to make voat work better than reddit not worry about people's feelings. If voat focuses on quality instead of karma, it can only improve and will only draw in more people Vs. trying to worry about everyone's feelings before making the site functional and one that promotes discussion.