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[–] EatDik 1 points 226 points (+227|-1) ago 

In my opinion there's a lot of reasons:

  1. Admins selectively enforce rules - /r/coontown got banned, but /r/killwhitey is still there? Tons of subreddits get banned for "brigading", and yet /r/shitredditsays is still here?

  2. Admins take sides - /r/KotakuInAction had e-mail campaigns directed towards advertisers where they voiced their opinion about gaming sites going against their core userbase. Admins threatened the mods to ban the sub if this doesn't stop... except this behavior doesn't break any rules... and a really similar campaign was all over reddit back in 2012 during SOPA. /r/shitredditsays was recently visited by admin (Drunken_Economist) which praised them for their work (one could assume she forgot to relog into her SRS account). It suggests that admins themselves are engaged with the SRS and mod the community.

  3. Something is too controversial to ban under current rules? Change the rules.

  4. Admins ignore the most important questions and do whatever they want - In any AMA admins happily respond to questions that soothe their ego, but ignore most questions that ask about controversial stuff like their decisions or policies. Naturally, this pisses off the users and they downvote the useless posts, so what do the admins do? They artifically upvote the posts and give themselves reddit gold.

  5. Big subreddits are full of overzealous mods - Mods in big subreddits purge the entire threads if comments in such threads contain something they personally find unlikeable. Everything is, of course, without any explanation. Almost all major subreddits on the site suffer from this. Mods also refuse to believe that the community can guide and behave itself while it has the necessary tools to do so (votes).

  6. Big subreddits have a political agenda - /r/worldnews deletes any threads portraying miniorites or women in a bad light, /r/europe deletes any content that is critical of immigration (and it's moderated by people who aren't even european!), /r/programming has recently deleted a thread where users questioned the new "safe space" policy that github started to incorporate. There are many other subreddits that insert agenda where it doesn't belong or doesn't make sense, such as /r/truegaming or even /r/chess!

  7. If you're a mod or a poster in a "quarantined" subreddit you can't create your own subreddit - Fairly new, but this was the tipping point for me.

  8. Nothing prevents people from collecting subreddits like pokemon -There are a few people (most notably agentlame and davidreiss666) who moderate a FEW HUNDRED subreddits. There's simply no way for one person to effectively moderate this much. Why is this even allowed?

  9. The old userbase is told to "go away" - 2007: reddit markets itself as place of free speech, 2015: "lol we didn't do that, hate speech bla bla bla".

  10. There are bots that go through the user history and, if these will find anything unlikeable, ban you from the subreddits you've never posted to - You made one post in /r/coontown? You're now excluded for shitload of communities simply because of that fact. It doesn't matter what did you wrote - you're the evil racist now and your opinions doesn't matter anymore.

  11. There's no point in building communities or creating content - With admins and mods doing whatever they want and not respecting their userbase there's simply no point in building a community or creating content simply because how easy it is to lose it. You can be stripped of your subreddit simply because you made a "wrong" comment somewhere on the site. Same with content - you write a long-ass comment like this one and it can disappear in the matter of minutes simply because mods didn't like the rest of the thread.

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[–] swfreak 1 points 36 points (+37|-1) ago 

This is a quality post.

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[–] HopeStillFlies 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

It's like posts from Reddit 3-4 years ago.

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[–] Harvo 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

If Voat had its own version of gold I'd buy it for you for this thoughtful comment.

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[–] EatDik 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'd gladly take some BTC if you want to show your appreciation: 1NeUH3PzKpMAdj8DKRYf3hc3NfCFFN2AA8

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[–] phizuol 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

It seemed crazy to me that all this was going on and was fairly invisible to the average redditor. I subbed to /r/undelete for a while and got a taste for how ridiculous the place was.

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[–] myrrlyn 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

10.

What the FUCK?

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[–] shmuklidooha 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The example that I rmember the most is the offmychest bot that bans anyone that posted in fatpeoplehate, even if you never went to offmychest. The big one now is mrrogersbot who tags anyone who posts in 'bad' subs so that they can be identified and downvoted by the bot's users without having to even check their profile.

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[–] Sadistic_Bastard 0 points 45 points (+45|-0) ago 

Shadowbans, making rules and enforcing them willy-nilly, becoming commercialized.

That's just off the top of my head.

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[–] defaultplayername [S] 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I just googled 'Shadowban' and I am sure that is what happened to me because all of a sudden my subissions weren't up/-downvoted or commented. Those motherf*ckers!

--> Thanks for explaining.

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[–] Ricwulf 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

To check if you are shadowbanned, log out (or open an incognito window) and open your profile. If it doesn't show up, you've been shadowbanned.

Only the person who is shadowbanned (and I'm assuming admins) can still see your profile. Mods can see your comments and manually approve them. Just a heads up for if you want to make sure.

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[–] ComradeWalrus 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You're on the internet, you can swear. No one will reddit you.

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[–] Sadistic_Bastard 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Why did you censor mother but not fucker? I don't think that's how you censor things. Anyway, no problem. I'm sure there are also a whole lot of other reasons as well that vary from individual to individual.

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[–] massiveprivilege 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If you want to check if you are shadowbanned in a particular subbreddit

  1. Get a permalink of your comment

  2. Open a new private/incognito window of your browser

  3. Copy that link in a new window

If you can see the comment you are not shadowbanned. If there is just a message "there doesnt seem to be anything here" that means nobody can see your comments.

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[–] mangusman07 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

This is the reason I switched over - sweeping censorship and shadowbans due to commercialization and the influx of shills

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[–] Ricwulf 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

In all honesty, I wouldn't have minded all the censorship if they didn't constantly lie about it. The backhandedness of shadowbanning (and the lie that there wasn't an alternative, despite having the original system that alerted a user to being banned and gave a reason why), the hypocrisy of their actions, and just the constant treating the users like they were fucking idiots.

If they wanted to become a safe space, fine. But don't serve a frozen turd and call it a hot chocolate pancake.

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[–] sparkybear 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Commercialization is not the bad guy in this case. It's fine to have outside money if you're allowed to act autonomously and reddit was given that by Conde Nast. Commercialization only goes wrong when that outside money requires you to do things like ensure your AMA gets a certain number of views, or your media campaign across the media subs gets so many impressions. Oh wait...

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[–] swfreak 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Blatant censorship on the default subs.

PC taking over essentially.

I don't mind people like the SRS vermin being on reddit and voicing their opinions, but censorship is totally unacceptable.

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[–] defaultplayername [S] 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

Update: Reddit just lost a user.

[–] [deleted] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

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[–] spyder228 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

With the amount of stories that are censored on Reddit, I was surprised some of the stuff I was missing when I wandered to a mainstream news website. It's best to get your news from multiple sources.

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[–] Exuberant_Murica 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

My nigga!

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[–] Uncle_Skeeter 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago 

Bending over to be hate-fucked by SJWs is another reason.

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[–] ComradeWalrus 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

They are not bending over to them. The admins are SJWs

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[–] magicmu 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

hate-fucked by SJWs

Love your choice of words there, I needed a good laugh this morning.

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[–] 3226 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

As someone said already, VOAT was already a thing, but reddit's recent actions just made the userbase grow massively. There have been a bunch of things they've done, all of which add up.

They've banned and quarrantined subreddits, changed policies, had a monumentally unpopular CEO, myseriously sacked employees, bent over backwards for advertisers, and more besides.

But the biggest problem they had was communication. People who had built up communities felt like they were being shut down for reasons that were arbitrary and mercurial, or had hidden agendas, and they were not properly telling people why they were doing it. Even unaffected users and groups felt like they didn't know where they stood. They got rid of staff without communicating with people they should have been communicating with, like mods affected by the personnel changes. They didn't communicate about needed tools for the site. They didn't communicate about things people needed to know to make their communities work. Add it all up and it's going to make an already bad situation far far worse.

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[–] tpdplsio 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Well said. I think even without failing to protect offensive but legal speech, the alienation of the average mod/user through arbitrary rules, poor communication, and badly-implemented monetization would have brought the site down anyway.

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[–] EvrythingISayIsRight 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

had a monumentally unpopular CEO

The thing that got me was that after Ellen Pao resigned, nothing changed. The SJW imperitive kept coming in full force. Then with the quarantined subs and the banning of FPH and coontown, it was clear as day to me that reddit is going downhill into a SJW 'safe space'

I hope they fade away just like myspace did in the late 2000s.

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[–] Avnomke 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It got far worse after Pao went, to my understanding. I haven't been there, though, outside of a few niche subreddits.

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[–] plankO 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The waves large enough to shut things down started with fph but voat was steadily growing before that. I would say dick head mods that would rather enforce side bar rules rather than just letting a post die naturally.

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[–] blinton 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I agree. I had a post removed because I forgot a question mark. Seriously? How stupid is that?

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[–] rednax1206 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Aren't you free to re-post it with the required question mark?

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[–] Tragic82 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

For me, it was when the started taking "offensive" sites down. FAT People Hate although I don't agree with was the flagship for freedom of speech and they tore it down. They listened to people complaining and who knows what was next. When they lost their AMA leader without reported improper misconduct or other form. I started to believe that reddit was out of touch. Just waited to see where everyone was going

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[–] Gone_Private 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Every sub I would normally visit went private. The site became non functional for me. I am aware it was done to protest what the admins were doing. I just wanted to read stuff, I come here for that now.

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