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[–] beren 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

Libertarian. After thinking about it for many years, I finally came to the conclusion that: nobody on this planet in all of its history or future, has the mental capacity to make all the right decisions for themselves, let alone everyone else.

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[–] MeatPopsicle 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

nobody ... has the mental capacity to make all the right decisions for themselves

I've been migrating away from Libertarianism for much the same reason. "Fuck the environment, I want to drive big cars." "Fuck the economy, I want to buy cheap shit from Wal-Mart." "Fuck the future, I don't want to fund education."

I strongly believe in self-determination, but there are lines where rugged individualism fucks over everyone else or encourages them to join in fucking over everyone else. Once I started looking at where I felt the lines ought to be drawn, I found myself realizing my philosophy leans more Liberal than anything else. But of course that carries a lot of bullshit baggage I don't believe in (as did Libertariansm and Republicanism when I identified with those).

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[–] GenellanBound 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

A sufficiently advanced AI might; that's why some people support the implementation of some AI dictatorship when/if they exist.

That's terrifying to me. Even the worst dictator will eventually die and in the meantime can be swayed by emotion, or at the least, physical wants and needs. An AI could be functionally immortal and would not have weaknesses and sentimentality.

What if the true meaning of life is void and a supreme ruler were to realize and implement it?

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[–] beren 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Nobody has the mental capacity to make the decision for everyone else that they should be ruled by an AI... get it?

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[–] l23r 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Doesn't a human being have to create the AI though? Would you trust even a team of people to not fuck it up, or to not have ulterior motives?

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[–] brother_tempus 4 points 18 points (+22|-4) ago 

Pro-life, pro-freedom, pro-private-property, pro-consent

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[–] Hokie200proof [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

And what would you say was the influence for those opinions? parents? Community? Friends or family? A certain politician? Historical perspective?

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[–] brother_tempus 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Philosophy classes, read a lot of history and economics books, and a good dose of common sense

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[–] Sameblamegame 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You cannot have both pro life and pro freedom... In real life, lives are sacrfired for freedom, Freedom sacrificed for life. Just the flow of a food chain is evidence of this.

There is only so much we can do as humans to create a system where every individual is fairly represented. It's naive to put so many loaded beliefs in the same sentence and claim you stand for them all, when your very existence and participation in the current system is contradictory to all of those beliefs.

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[–] brother_tempus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You cannot have both pro life and pro freedom.

yes you can for they are inseperable

In real life, lives are sacrfired for freedom,

Freddom brings people together, it doesn;t divide us ... lives arew xsacrificed for the state , one only has to see the death toll from the regimes of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Hitler .. to see this

There is only so much we can do as humans to create a system where every individual is fairly represented.

And for the last 100 years we have moved in the opposite direction of this goal

It's naive to put so many loaded beliefs in the same sentence and claim you stand for them all,

becuase in principle they are all the same ...they are all based on the right of private property

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[–] VanGoghingSomewhere 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

i like this guy

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[–] Diavolo1988 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

by pro-life do you mean against abortion? if so, can you explain to me why you're against it?

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[–] brother_tempus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

by pro-life do you mean against abortion?

and the death penalty and wars .. because the government does not own you ... because we are not property ... we fought a Civil War about this

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[–] purr 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

An American libertarian with a lowercase L. Specifically, I support minimal government basically everywhere. Economically, I'm a laissez-faire capitalist who opposes the Federal Reserve and supports a gold standard. I'm against stuff like minimum wages and the regulation of crop prices. I object to both social and corporate welfare. Socially, I support the legalization of drugs, gambling, and prostitution. However, I'm neutral on gay marriage and slightly opposed to abortion. I oppose gun control and anti-discrimination laws, and I think global warming's a load of crap. I also support a non-interventionist foreign policy.

It's been very much influenced by the Internet, combined with changes in my personality as I grew up. I was very economically and socially liberal as a kid, but less so now.

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[–] Hipsterrr 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

I think global warming is real, but not caused by us.

It's most likely just the Earth's climate changing. It's happened before. (ice age)

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[–] essofluffy 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

It is most definitely caused by us and I would encourage you to do some research on it if you have the time.

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[–] zambeezy 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I think global warming is real, but not caused by us.

This is the only reasonable explanation to me. All the "but it's happened faster than ever" is misleading because "ever" just isn't that long in comparison to the age of the Earth...

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[–] purr 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Oh, yeah. Let me elaborate a little. In general, global warming refers to a man-made warming of the planet, while climate change refers to any change in the climate. I believe that the Earth has warmed somewhat in the last century, and that our emission of CO2 has contributed a little warming, but not enough to cause real harm. And I highly doubt the possibility of future catastrophic global warming.

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[–] hypercat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's global climate change with a warming trend. While it is true that every 90,000 years we have a 10,000 year ice age (give or take a bit on those numbers obviously) the trend in the last 100 years from the impact of the industrial revolution and burning of fossil fuels, the environment is being effected.

Also, one clear and proven fact, we fucked up the ozone (which effect the earth by letting more sun in)with aerosol products, as there is a huge hole up in that bitch that is slowly healing because many places have banned the chemicals that caused it.

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[–] zambeezy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

slightly opposed to abortion

I'm wondering if you oppose it personally, as in you would not want you/your partner to have one or do you oppose it as in you don't think anyone should be allowed to have one

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[–] purr 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

I'm personally opposed to abortion, but I'm not sure if I support its legalization.

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[–] neon_squirrel 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I've taken much the same trip, but I was raised very conservatively. Now I'm a small-L libertarian anarchist.

I was influenced by friends, the internet, and podcasts (Tom Woods, largely). Stefan Molyneux's "Everyday Anarchy" is a good read, but the rest of his stuff leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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[–] Shakshuka 6 points -3 points (+3|-6) ago 

I read it as: I fantasize about helping people but I won't actually.

I hear it as "this sounds nice and doesn't mean anything."

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[–] libby 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm an anarchist, so I'd say apolitical. I like libertarians fairly well since they generally want the least offensive government (many are anarchists too).

Growing up, I thought deeply about morality and ethics and developed my own based on the notion of not wanting to violate anyone's consent. I later read some libertarian philosophers and found I largely agreed with their reasoning and that they'd stated things a little better and more consistently. So that helped me refine the application and particulars of my beliefs, though I was in 100% agreement on the foundation from the get go.

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[–] cooledcannon 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Ancap not ancom right?

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[–] libby 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

With all due respect, ancoms aren't anarchists. They're just calling their form of direct democracy government something else. I don't believe in government whatever you call it.

But I'm an agorist. Ancap is probably also accurate but most self identified ancaps are more right wing and I tend more left.

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[–] Hokie200proof [S] 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I realize it would probably be a little unfair not to offer my own ideas if I'm asking folks to share...

Social Issues: Libertarian - in short, I believe all drugs should be legal (you want to be a crack addict, ok... let's make it cheap so you don't kill anyone for more crack), you should be able to fuck and combine incomes/inheritance (legally called "marriage") with whoever you like, you should be allowed to fuck anyone you like (permitted they want to also fuck you) by any arrangement you choose (love, money, influence, all of the above), you should be allowed to own weapons, you should be allowed to speak freely, meet freely and demonstrate freely, etc., etc., basically I'm all for you doing whatever it is you want to do, so long as it doesn't kill, physically harm or otherwise prevent someone else from doing the same.

Fiscal Issues: Moderate... well, hard to categorize - I don't think capitalism is the right economic system as it monetizes everything, and some things are truly priceless... like the environment, your health, your freedom, etc. Capitalism has a great track record of doing what it's best at - making money. I think it has a very poor track record of promoting peace, conservation, fellowship and I doubt it will be the economic system of future generations. I don't think we've come up with a great alternative to this point (Socialism, Communism, etc. all have major flaws either in theory or inherent in execution). So that's clearly not a "moderate" view, but I freely admit those views aren't actionable with our society today, so I've developed my own "moderate" views for fiscal policy governing our current economic system.

I believe a strong capitalism is built on a strong middle class (creates a large consumer base, allows for diverse, small venture investment and provides a strong base to keep a capitalist economy growing). I believe the extremes of capitalism must be avoided, as massive disparity of wealth will limit or stifle growth just as much as extremely high taxes or massive wealth redistribution programs. If only a few individuals or groups have most of the wealth, they will not be able to grow as much as they would or could if there was more parity. Without a large consumer group with disposable income, able to buy whatever a massively wealthy corporation produces, there's no point in researching, developing or producing the product in the first place, so there's no great incentive for innovation or productivity that drives economic growth. On the flip side, if the government or a central entity redistributes wealth to the point where almost all citizen make the same amount, there would be less incentive to develop new or more efficent ways of production as increased efforts or investment would not be rewarded.

So, I like policy that limits the bottom and the top, but fuels a large middle class economy, which the U.S. economy has been very successful at for last 100 years. Given that view, and what I've said above, I can't be a full fiscal libertarian because I believe we need a central government that provides for certain basic services (infrastructure, defense, education, enforcing laws) and outsourcing some of these services to for-profit entities incentivizes them in dangerous ways (see private prisons as a prime example). I also think money should be completely divorced from politics as it can only lead to corruption and legislation that works to upset the balance of power to favor those who already have wealth.

These views have come from parents, friends, my own historical observations, as well as my education, which was heavily focused on Philosophy.

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[–] EwokStomper 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

My parents always expressed to me that I need to be a good person to everybody. They raised me to be a nice person. There was little talk of politics to me as a kid. So as I grew up I naturally took stances on topics that would help people. I'm pro-choice, pro-consent, I'm very concerned about mental health and the education system. I feel that improving our education system is one of the most important topics of our political time. My mother is a conservative to the most extreme degree. So I've lived my life trying to be nice to people, and she is, at core, greedy. She'll defend climate change deniers, corrupt police, and corrupt politicians, because she believes that "you have to look out for yourself". There are a lot of shouting matches in my house.

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[–] gbk1 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I agree, education should and always be numero uno. Unbiased education and not indoctrination.

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[–] l23r 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

"My parents always expressed to me that I need to be a good person to everybody"

That really seems at odds with the latter part of what you said. Is it your father and other people in your home who preach kindness, or does your mom think that everyone (including killer cops) should be treated nicely?

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[–] EwokStomper 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

A lot of people (especially my mom) don't really live by their political views. It's very very rare that she has political discussions with people, other than myself. She gets no fix on the politics behind an idea, other than the direct IV drip of Fox News. She literally records every major Fox News program, every day, to watch later. She has to get her daily fix of bigotry. My mother was raised catholic, so she was in the environment where you have to keep your head down and submit to authority, while loving thy neighbor. Luckily, I only got the Love they neighbor part. (And no, we're no longer a religious family)

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[–] noit 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Your ethos changes from continent to continent? What are your values in Asia?

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