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Your third cigarette will be 50% more than your original two, but that third cigarette is 33% of the total.
Three cigarettes is 150% of 2 cigarettes, but 2 cigarettes is 66% of 3 cigarettes.
So, if something is 10 pounds, the 12 pound version is 120%, or 20% more, but, the 10 pound version is 83% as much as the 12 pound version, or 17% less.
The only confusion is whether you are adding or subtracting a percentage from the smaller amount, or from the larger amount.
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Ok, so second question. When it says a "150% drop" that means....? I feel dumb now because, word is bond, I understand percentages a bit. I'm just always confused. I'm trying to start small, but honestly it's when they start throwing stats like "crime is down 23% and school fundraisers are up 13%" I just go, "well that sounds good" but I feel like I'm just smiling and nodding like everyone else.
Edit the "down more than 100%" is whats throwing me. Not a good example.
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The key word to focus on, is "from" or "of", which may not even be said, but just implied by the phrase.
Nothing can drop more than 100%, because that would make it zero, but, if you had one burglary in May, and 12 in June, you can have a 1200% increase (from the prior month). Now, taking those 12 burglaries, the following month it drops by 50%, you have 6 burglaries.
The percentages don't add up, so if you said "ok it went up 1200% then it went down 100% the next month, so it would be back to zero, but if you thought that because it went up 1200% and only went down 100%, it should still be 1100% more, but it's not.
Goddamn it, I was just getting it. What? This is what I'm talking about. This is where I got the 33%, I swear, it kind of made sense. So if a processor can do 50% more, that means, twice as much but if its "50% more than the last" that's 1.5 times as much?
You've smoked 50% more than you had before and that 3rd cigarette will end up being 33% of the total cigarettes smoked.
While we're on the subject, one point you may not be aware of is that there is a difference between 'X% as much' and 'X% more'. If a bag of chips says 'now %20 bigger as much' it's 120% as big as it used to be. If something is 200% bigger (twice as big) than something else, then its size has increased by 100%.
Yes, just like your original question would not mean anything unless we knew you started with two cigarettes. That made it sensible.
The most confusing thing is knowing which direction to go - 20% of which number, is your real question. That's why there's a 50%, and a 33%, because each of those were referring to a different number. 1 cigarette is 50% of two cigarettes, but it's only 33% of three cigarettes.
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Well next level. I'm now smoking a 4th cigarette. That's 100% increase from the 2 originally, but now I'm up 33% from total, and up 100% from last we spoke. Hey guys, I think I'm learning math...
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[–] 1425724? 0 points 12 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago (edited ago)
Your third cigarette will be 50% more than your original two, but that third cigarette is 33% of the total. Three cigarettes is 150% of 2 cigarettes, but 2 cigarettes is 66% of 3 cigarettes.
So, if something is 10 pounds, the 12 pound version is 120%, or 20% more, but, the 10 pound version is 83% as much as the 12 pound version, or 17% less.
The only confusion is whether you are adding or subtracting a percentage from the smaller amount, or from the larger amount.
[–] Erroneous 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
one plus two plus two plus one
[–] OfficerRando [S] 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Pretty much how I do percents. I can't be the only one who does this wrong. Also just a great film.
[–] OfficerRando [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Ok, so second question. When it says a "150% drop" that means....? I feel dumb now because, word is bond, I understand percentages a bit. I'm just always confused. I'm trying to start small, but honestly it's when they start throwing stats like "crime is down 23% and school fundraisers are up 13%" I just go, "well that sounds good" but I feel like I'm just smiling and nodding like everyone else.
Edit the "down more than 100%" is whats throwing me. Not a good example.
[–] 1425908? 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
The key word to focus on, is "from" or "of", which may not even be said, but just implied by the phrase.
Nothing can drop more than 100%, because that would make it zero, but, if you had one burglary in May, and 12 in June, you can have a 1200% increase (from the prior month). Now, taking those 12 burglaries, the following month it drops by 50%, you have 6 burglaries.
The percentages don't add up, so if you said "ok it went up 1200% then it went down 100% the next month, so it would be back to zero, but if you thought that because it went up 1200% and only went down 100%, it should still be 1100% more, but it's not.
Does this make it any clearer?
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[–] OfficerRando [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Goddamn it, I was just getting it. What? This is what I'm talking about. This is where I got the 33%, I swear, it kind of made sense. So if a processor can do 50% more, that means, twice as much but if its "50% more than the last" that's 1.5 times as much?
[–] Mr_Winsterhammerman 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
You've smoked 50% more than you had before and that 3rd cigarette will end up being 33% of the total cigarettes smoked.
While we're on the subject, one point you may not be aware of is that there is a difference between 'X% as much' and 'X% more'. If a bag of chips says 'now %20
biggeras much' it's 120% as big as it used to be. If something is 200% bigger (twice as big) than something else, then its size has increased by 100%.edit: Proofreading is hard. Thanks /u/Mixplate
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I think you meant to say "is 200% as much, which is 100% bigger.
[–] Mr_Winsterhammerman 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
That's absolutely what I meant to say, thank you.
[–] OfficerRando [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
You guys are the best. So really the numbers only mean so much. I need to be paying attention to what they say around to know what to compare it to?
[–] 1426348? 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Yes, just like your original question would not mean anything unless we knew you started with two cigarettes. That made it sensible.
The most confusing thing is knowing which direction to go - 20% of which number, is your real question. That's why there's a 50%, and a 33%, because each of those were referring to a different number. 1 cigarette is 50% of two cigarettes, but it's only 33% of three cigarettes.
[–] OfficerRando [S] ago
Update, I smoked 1000% more cigarettes than I intended to. (That's from 2 to 20 right?)
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[–] OfficerRando [S] ago
I'm so glad I'm done with school and I never have to go back.
[–] 2wizard ago
Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Welcome to the 3rd level.
[–] OfficerRando [S] ago (edited ago)
Well next level. I'm now smoking a 4th cigarette. That's 100% increase from the 2 originally, but now I'm up 33% from total, and up 100% from last we spoke. Hey guys, I think I'm learning math...