I find that most Goats agree and are based on pretty much every issue. But there's one in which I see quite a bit of division: Christianity.
It's sort of like a 50/50 divide between:
- Christianity is Truth. Jews try to keep gentiles away from their God.
- Christianity was made up, probably by jews, to control Gentiles.
I myself am not based or red-pilled on this issue, so I would appreciate hearing your opinions and, most of all, strong arguments for one side or the other.
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[–] Tallest_Skil 0 points 16 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago
Oh boy, book excerpt time.
Chapter 17: Christianity, Section 1: History, Ministry of Jesus
After his baptism (which was not at birth), Jesus began a ministry to preach the word of God. Tempted by Satan in the desert, he returned to Galilee and recruited his first disciples. At the time, there were three primary groups of jews laying claim to the region–Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes. The latter group was cloistered from the others, monastic, ascetic, and of whom very little is known today, though John the Baptist may have been of their kin. The Sadducees were the “opposition” group, who supported social Hellenization and rejected the authority of the Talmud. The Pharisees, however, held the Talmud in equal regard to the Torah and rejected the Greek influences in their society. These were the jews so aggrieved by Jesus’ teachings.
Jesus’ repudiation of their authority and their teaching of what would become talmudic doctrines caused them to conspire against him. Jesus began saying things that made the jews extremely uncomfortable and self-conscious about their behavior, as well as the authority of their doctrines. He referenced the Torah’s doctrines about the establishment of a new covenant made between God and His people, which would replace the laws–and thus the power structure–under which jews currently lived.
The Messiah was promised at the end of the covenant with Abraham, and as his coming implied a new body politic, the claims surrounding Jesus that he was the Messiah caused jews to begin to question him and his teachings directly. This is known today as supersessionism, and was the fundamental doctrine across all Christian polities from 33 AD until the early 1900s.
None of the laws in the Old Testament apply to Christians, by Jesus’ coming and sacrifice, the old covenant has been forsworn. Moreover, the jewish claim to the land of Israel–promised to them by God in exchange for their worship of him and adherence to the law–is annulled by their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jews have no right to Israel, not by law nor by religion. This is Christian doctrine, and another reason that jews deny the New Testament. They claim the historic right to Israel because it was a covenant between God and the nation of Judea, whom they assent to be. From the Christian perspective, jews stole the land on which the modern nation of “Israel” is built. They had no right to it, as Christians are the nation of Israel.
CONTINUED.
[–] Tallest_Skil 0 points 11 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago
Chapter 17: Christianity, Section 1: History, Modern Heresy
In the modern era, Christianity’s influence on society has been chiseled away even further. Not eroded, but ‘been chiseled away.’ If no outside force acts on a society, the society will remain as it is. Western society, with Christian morality as its interpersonal foundation, has been swept off its proverbial feet. Who did this? Jews. Their hatred of Christians and Christianity might seem odd to some, given the religious fervor–no pun intended–with which certain groups of evangelicals worship the jews and their political desires. The fact remains that jews abhor the very existence of Christianity, Christian morals and virtues, and any society built upon them. From the days of Jesus’ ministry to the present, jews have worked to undo Christianity. Because their holy books tell them to.
Scofield Reference Bible
In 1891, Cyrus I. Scofield submitted notes for a new Bible concordance to members of the New York Lotus Club for funding. This offer drew attention from–and was accepted by–✡Samuel Untermyer✡ and other prominent jewish zionist financiers of the Lotus Club.
Because of what Scofield added to the Bible. His printing was a King James edition, standard for the time, but with footnotes added throughout the book. It was claimed that the footnotes would facilitate the reader’s understanding of the passages, because by the early 1900s some of the language used in the King James Bible had fallen out of common parlance. But the footnotes did something else entirely. They changed the doctrines themselves. Scofield got jewish funding in this venture because jews are commanded by their holy books and Sanhedrin authority to subvert and destroy the works of Christianity.
Scofield had a shady past, a criminal record, was divorced, a philanderer and alcoholic, had just been released from jail, and had never been to seminary. This was no problem for his jewish backers. With their control of the press, some public relations work, and their international network, he was quickly transformed into “one of America’s leading theologians.” What did Scofield’s notes do to so beguile the jewish establishment? They artificially restored the jews’ position as the “chosen people” of God. Scofield’s notes describe the Hebrew prophecies of the Old Testament as foretelling the coming of Christ’s Kingdom, and state the Book of Esther refers to a “deliverance” of the Chosen People. Dispensationalism teaches that the jews–as a separate, non-Christian entity–will return to the Holy Land and be restored to a nation–Israel–for their people. The New Testament says that the jews are divorced of the promise of their homeland and covenant for their anti-Christian faith, and that the nation of Israel is the body of Christ and the people of Christendom–the church.
Jews created an entire political ideology–zionism–to ensure the formation of a jewish state, and they used dispensationalist heresy to draw “christians” into supporting them in this goal throughout the 20th century. Dispensationalism teaches that the jewish temple being rebuilt signals Jesus’ coming. The New Testament says no such thing–saying instead that the antichrist will declare himself god therein. Jews are thus enamored with the idea of rebuilding the Third Temple, and they gain millions of dollars in donations from “christians” to do so.
The system championed by Scofield is called dispensationalism, distinguished from supersessionism. It rejects almost entirely the teachings of the New Testament, wherein Jesus Christ is the way to salvation. It claims that the jews are “already” saved and that they are still held in God’s favor above Christians, despite the New Testament refuting this entirely. Almost an entire generation of young preachers was raised exclusively on the Scofield Reference Bible. They were taught outright heresy, which they passed on to their congregations–out of whom came politicians who believed that jews were to be exalted above all else. Sound familiar? Thus began the “christian” zionist movement.
The traditional enemies of the Jews–the WASPs who had resisted the jewish takeover of the world for centuries and who historically drove jews from power across Europe and beyond–were transformed into the jews’ most ardent supporters and worshipers. Tens of millions of people who call themselves “christian” now willingly serve the zionist state of Israel and submit the entire Western world to a foreign nation, something unthinkable at the start of the 20th century or earlier. The creation of the state of Israel as a homeland for the jews–and the wars fought to both create and defend Israel–come from dispensationalist teaching. Today, jews within the US and Israel reap the immense rewards of their scheme. Tens of millions of voters who believe themselves to be “christian” vote for politicians who give tens of billions of their tax dollars directly to Israel. They vote for wars in Israel’s favor, Christian men dying by the tens of thousands in defense of a people who don’t consider them human and who want them exterminated from the face of the Earth. In fact, thanks to unconstitutional and treasonous organizations such as the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which is an unregistered foreign agent and thus cannot legally operate, it has become nigh impossible to so much as run for office in the United States–and impossible to win–without pledging yourself in service of Israel.
[–] i_scream_trucks 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
no, we dont want to know what youre regurgitating from the bible.
whats the actual story.
[–] Rotteuxx 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
This is from your book ?
[–] TradMan 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
What is going on with you? Has something changed?
[–] Tallest_Skil 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
I have no reason to live, just a couple reasons not to die. That’s been the case for years. Maybe I just feel different now. God knows I still get angry as fuck with the shills which are still allowed to post here after all this time. Getting old or something. There’s only so long a guy can burn under the fires of righteous anger before what’s left of him is smoldering ash, particularly when there’s nothing but torrential rain around him and no other fires in sight. Years into decades. All we do is wait.
But you probably meant something else.
[–] Phantom42 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
You're starting to see the guy as who he is. Not a shill, not a prick, just honest and worn down by the hellfire.
I embraced it. He learned from it. Eventually, I will end up as he is, though much quieter. I'm not one for writing books or issuing well-thought out arguments to people who are rather questionable in character.
I shall burn, and burn away. Skil is simply smoldering. Such is the nature of hellfire, though it has varying effects. When it's over and I head up to the Boss (You know, that God guy we like? Kinda put us here?), it's my intention to become what amounts to a Black Knight up there. There will be a war in Heaven, and it will require soldiers.
My spirit, though Saved, is certainly broken as I'm sure you've inferred with your interactions with me. There is admittedly nothing much to me but pain, anger, guilt, and fear. I embraced these things several years ago in order to keep myself alive, because ya boi here was thinking about making an early exit.
Anyhow, I am fucking terrified of Heaven. In a way, moreso than Hell. Hell, I at least know what's going to happen. I can think of dozens of thousands of scenarios. Heaven... I've not a clue. It's a place with no pain, or sadness, generally negative things, right? Well, what happens to those who made such things a part of themselves, due to circumstance? Not bad enough for Hell, but too corrupted for Heaven?
Perhaps I may still be of some use as a "Black Knight" of the Lord, standing behind the Angel of Death as the coming war in Heaven ensues.
But after that... I will have no purpose. No struggle. No source of pain, or anger, nothing at all. I'll end up just fucking off to my own corner of the Heavenverse where nobody can find me while I look on and see everyone having a blast. I couldn't blame them, paradise is rather nice. But... I don't know. Hell, to you what I'm saying must sound like some oddly cryptic bullshit from a stupid kid, lol... Maybe I just fell for my own bullshit, thinking God would ever give a damn about me when there are worse things going on. Running a universe and all that beyond would be quite the headache I imagine. Can't say I envy him.
[–] WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI 2 points 9 points 11 points (+11|-2) ago (edited ago)
You think that atheists are less prone to being manipulated and controlled than Christians are? If anything they seem to be more prone to it because they have a void in their life. It's no coincidence that atheism and communism are so tightly tied together.
[–] ANGRY_Hippopotamus 2 points 1 point 3 points (+3|-2) ago
Go on believing we have a void in our lives if that makes you feel better
[–] WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI 1 point 3 points 4 points (+4|-1) ago
Thank you for proving my point.
[–] 20936442? ago
How many people do you speak for?
[–] Nosfewratsjews 3 points -2 points 1 point (+1|-3) ago
There is a middle ground. Reason, for which boundaries are built upon it.
[–] philmchawk 4 points -3 points 1 point (+1|-4) ago (edited ago)
I think the real question is: new religion or keep Christianity? Not atheism which is retarded.
[–] 20936422? ago
The atheists on this website are constantly triggered lmao I love it.
[–] zxcvzxcv 2 points -1 points 1 point (+1|-2) ago
Technically, if you want to use the scientific definition of the word retarded, then atheism actually is retarded since it blatantly violates the most foundational of all logical principals: the law on non-contradiction.
[–] grandmacaesar 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
I suspect jews didnt make it up to control gentiles. Christ called the jews children of satan, and Christians are commanded to be Christ-like.
[–] stbelmont 2 points 4 points 6 points (+6|-2) ago (edited ago)
Forget the word Christianity and go back to after Jesus' death and resurrection but before "Christianity."* Follow the Bible, not denominations, which are targeted and controlled top-down. What do the apostles do? They guard the Sabbath and observe God's feasts (not necessarily Jewish feasts). When is the Sabbath? It's easy to tell, if a church hasn't told you otherwise. It's reflected in the languages of the world, and the Jews never changed its day. Constantine changed it, and millions who disagreed were killed.
The Word of God is what is truth. People's interpretations can differ. Bible translations can differ. Books included in the Bible differ; the US was founded on the 1560 Geneva Bible, and Bibles had more than 66 books until the Scottish Rite got that number reduced to 66. Some countries' churches still have some of those books, which are both well-represented in the Dead Sea Scrolls and frequently quoted in the 66-book canon.
There are Jews who want to use their made-up and deceptive Noahide Laws, not actual scripture, the Ten Commandments, to control Gentiles (the Noahide Laws look harmless on the surface, but who's interpreting what "Idolatry" is, for example (Talmudists believe worshipping Jesus is Idolatry), and what is the punishment (beheading)).
My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Do you think people who put In God We Trust on the dollar bill worship my God? Jesus is the Son of God. Do Jews and Muslims worship a God who has a son?
*Recommended video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtwdyefVkxU The Natsarim: The Elect of the End Times
Edit- fix video link
[–] zxcvzxcv 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
You are correct. Many people falsely believe the Bible is the word of God. This is a ridiculous deception. Jesus is the Word of God. He always has been and always will be.
[–] middle_path 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
So many religions, why would you think only one is correct?
[–] AdmiralEnchilada 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Read the gnostic texts. The god of the jews is the devil. The creator god was the devil. Jesus was the source, creator of the creator god. Thats why there are 2 creation stories. The first was the birth of evil over the waters of chaos, and the garden was the true god trying to right the wrong of Yaldabaoth.
TLDR; The jews perverted the old true religion and wrote themselves in as heros to trick gentiles.
Edit: shit man, even the psychological tactics the jews use arent theirs. They stole the teachings of the Hermeticists in egypts before genociding them. Kabbalah is inverted Egyptian ritual. Thats why Epstein's bloodmagic was performed on that island. The motifs brotha, the all seeing eye. Jews pervert everything they touch
[–] zxcvzxcv 1 point 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) ago
I think you can answer your own question:
Christianity is Truth. Jews try to keep gentiles away from their God. (why do you tihnk the jews fight so fervently against Christianity if they made it?)
How do jew operate? They do not attack directly. They usurp and infiltrate. Jews have infiltrated the Church to cuck their enemy. This has created the illusion that the Jews made up Christianity precisely because the Jews really do use it to control Gentiles. However, correlation does not prove causation. Simply because the jews use Christianity to control gentiles does not mean the jews caused/made up Christianity.
[–] 20935491? ago
Christianity was a wolf. Now it's a bred-down dog.
[–] Eualos 2 points 2 points 4 points (+4|-2) ago
It's definitely both. Europeans were originally pagans and it worked for us. Then we got the original Christianity and it made us more passive but slightly more civil, but it originally didn't like Jews. It has now kind of been subverted into liking Jews as special in a good way.