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[–] somerandomteen 2 points 23 points (+25|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Forced updates only apply to Windows 10 Home users. Professional upwards, updates can be deferred if you're unsure about them. If you're smart enough to understand about updates and Linux and DRM and Genuine Advantage, you get Professional. 'Tis that simple.

Edit: I AM NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF MICROSOFT, and have never claimed to be. Nothing I say here is speaking officially on behalf of them. Apologies if there was any confusion over this.

Updated with corrected language

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[–] tjap 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

why would they make that restriction? how am I supposed to fix my neighbours computer if it's in an update loop, or an update screwed up his pc?

I have a windows phone, a windows pc and an xbox but damn I really consider going to linux or bsd

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[–] 0w0 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Because they have done their maths and they think that it is in their and the targeted audience's interest to have the computers updated with latest updates/patches/hotfixes etc.

how am I supposed to fix my neighbours computer if it's in an update loop, or an update screwed up his pc?

It is their OS, it is their problem, and if this decision ultimately results in millions of PCs going into update loop... guess who will be hurt most by that?

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[–] somerandomteen 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Well, the Insider program is continuing for every update, so it's extremely unlikely as they're all externally tested on both Fast and Slow rings after internal testing. But, if it does happen, you will be able to download bootable ISOs that will stop the update using a boot disk.

So, the testing goes like this:

Staff -> Canary -> Fast ring Insider -> Slow ring Insider -> General public

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[–] tribblepuncher 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It is profoundly disturbing that Microsoft believes that the correct answer to essentially having your fate dictated by Microsoft is "pay more," which boils down to Microsoft easing themselves back into their old tricks again. Not that that would change the firmware situation for one moment, although the answer to that is probably "pay more," too.

Though moves like this are obviously working hard to change that.

On top of that, you should advise whoever talks to your committee from Microsoft corporate that they had better put to rest speculation about Windows 10 Professional in terms of updates, because just about every story I've heard has it set that upgrades can be at most "deferred," not refused.

Here's one source on that: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/defer-upgrades-in-windows-10

This prevents them from coming down the pike for "several months" but doesn't stop them, and gives you no option as to the security updates.

It is unfortunate that Microsoft seems to be going the way of DVDs, in that the pirates are able to offer a better user experience than the company itself, by stripping off what is forced on them. This is especially bad if they're using home users as beta testers, as indicated by @SO_TRIGGERED and backed up by a citation from @Mixplate.

My computer, not yours. 'tis that simple, and that Microsoft is unwilling or unable to accept that without additional money (and at some point, probably not for any price) bodes very ill for all involved.

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[–] dingo_bat 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Forced updates for home users is the best decision Microsoft has ever taken. Your kind of thinking leads to horribly insecure systems running 20 year-old Win XP and websites made for IE6.

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[–] somerandomteen ago  (edited ago)

Only Enterprise and Education editions will be able to refuse fully security updates. In terms of "defer" vs. "refuse", I'm not wholly sure, but I'll take a look around and keep an ear out.

To clarify, I'm in no way an official Microsoft source.

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[–] HelmedHorror 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No, no, no. Even Professional users will be forced to install all updates or none at all. The only difference is that they can be postponed by 4 to 8 months. [1] [2] After which time you will be cut off from all security updates as well.

You either tilt your head back and let them force-feed you their bullshit feature updates while they stroke your throat and hold your jaw shut, or if you're a Pro user they'll give you a few months. But after that, it's "That's a nice secure OS you got there. Be a shame if security patches were to stop showing up on account of some silly mistake like refusing to install our freely-offered and totally brilliant feature updates that you couldn't possibly not want. You seem like a reasonable guy who likes his OS to be secure. We know you'll make the right decision. We'll be back in 4 to 8 months. We hope you'll have chosen wisely..."

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[–] Orbitrix 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'd love to hear some reasons from people why this is bad. I already install all updates Microsoft sends my way on Windows 8.1 Pro, and it has never been a bad thing. This wont be a change in pace for me at all. Steam wont let you play games without applying updates either. Boo hoo.

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[–] somerandomteen 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Point: if you're technical enough to know how to defer updates, you're technical enough to realize that after "a few months", even if there were issues (which is extremely unlikely, as I already explained, due to Canary and Insider going forward), they would have worked their way out of the system for sure.

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[–] zopsi ago 

I've been running the insider builds and end technical preview before that and I can say I will NOT be upgrading due to the fact that it has ambiguous updates with unexpected restarts. Even if they have some sort of defer update or schedule restart I still don't like that Microsoft will at some point update without needing your consent.

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[–] just_signed_up 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Just a question. If I have Windows 7 Professional, and I upgrade to Windows 10, will it give me the professional edition or the home edition?

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[–] somerandomteen 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Professional. :)