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[–] tribblepuncher 2 points 72 points (+74|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Definitely not, for many reasons.

The real clincher, though, is the automated, enforced updates. My experience with updates is that they're a bit of a Russian Roulette - I've had video cards fail because of them (much troubleshooting and several rollbacks fixed it), I've had the update sit and hold on the "please do not turn off your computer" prompt for 36 hours straight, I've had the thing reboot and lose everything I was working on because I left the keyboard at just the wrong time...

Sometimes updates are as much hassle as what they're supposed to protect you from. Worse yet, some updates are, obnoxiously enough, to update their DRM system (AKA "Windows Genuine Advantage" bullshit). This update literally serves no purpose other than to cripple your machine. Even if your install is legit, this runs the risk of tripping up some obscure bug and de-authenticating it. Even if it might be relatively simple to fix it, I shouldn't have to fix it at all.

However, by far, the #1 thing about Windows 10 updates that makes me want to have nothing to do with Windows 10? The fact that the updates are forced.

I own my computer. Not Microsoft. Me. I own it. They do not decide what software runs on MY computer. And frankly, even if it's easy to override this crap, the simple fact of the matter is that this is the next step in major companies trying to own the hardware that I bought. Microsoft is essentially dictating to you what software you will run or not run. They're doing it in the boot firmware and BIOS with their "secure boot" (yes, I know some Linux kernels are signed, that's not the point) stuff, which many manufacturers may make impossible to override. IIRC it MUST be impossible to override on tablets. That's in addition, of course, to the fact that they're doing it to the basic OS software by mandating that you will run the latest version of their code. And with behavior like this, who knows what else is in there - not that it matters since Microsoft can pretty much put whatever they want in there and you've got no choice but to accept it and like it.

So, no, fuck them.

Additional concerns come from some of the same old concerns - user interface woes, lack of disk space, potential incompatibility, etc. etc. Plus whatever alterior motives come from it being supposedly "free." Bloatware is put on new computers for a reason, after all. Plus it wouldn't surprise me if they did something to try to force you to get an account with Microsoft. I hear they did that with Solitaire, putting it in their store. Not precisely the most encouraging development. Their generally coy and sometimes amorphous or shifting responses to questions also puts me ill at ease, and I speculate that they are going to use this as an attempt to try to cram the Windows Store down your throat in a far more aggressive manner than before.

Considering there are still companies offering Windows 7-based computers, and several computer columnists I have read over the last 6 months have said there was an upswing in "typical" users who were suddenly rather interested in Linux over the last 6 months, I suspect I am very much not alone in these sentiments.


[–] somerandomteen 2 points 23 points (+25|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Forced updates only apply to Windows 10 Home users. Professional upwards, updates can be deferred if you're unsure about them. If you're smart enough to understand about updates and Linux and DRM and Genuine Advantage, you get Professional. 'Tis that simple.

Edit: I AM NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF MICROSOFT, and have never claimed to be. Nothing I say here is speaking officially on behalf of them. Apologies if there was any confusion over this.

Updated with corrected language


[–] tjap 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

why would they make that restriction? how am I supposed to fix my neighbours computer if it's in an update loop, or an update screwed up his pc?

I have a windows phone, a windows pc and an xbox but damn I really consider going to linux or bsd


[–] tribblepuncher 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It is profoundly disturbing that Microsoft believes that the correct answer to essentially having your fate dictated by Microsoft is "pay more," which boils down to Microsoft easing themselves back into their old tricks again. Not that that would change the firmware situation for one moment, although the answer to that is probably "pay more," too.

Though moves like this are obviously working hard to change that.

On top of that, you should advise whoever talks to your committee from Microsoft corporate that they had better put to rest speculation about Windows 10 Professional in terms of updates, because just about every story I've heard has it set that upgrades can be at most "deferred," not refused.

Here's one source on that:

This prevents them from coming down the pike for "several months" but doesn't stop them, and gives you no option as to the security updates.

It is unfortunate that Microsoft seems to be going the way of DVDs, in that the pirates are able to offer a better user experience than the company itself, by stripping off what is forced on them. This is especially bad if they're using home users as beta testers, as indicated by @SO_TRIGGERED and backed up by a citation from @Mixplate.

My computer, not yours. 'tis that simple, and that Microsoft is unwilling or unable to accept that without additional money (and at some point, probably not for any price) bodes very ill for all involved.


[–] HelmedHorror 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

No, no, no. Even Professional users will be forced to install all updates or none at all. The only difference is that they can be postponed by 4 to 8 months. [1] [2] After which time you will be cut off from all security updates as well.

You either tilt your head back and let them force-feed you their bullshit feature updates while they stroke your throat and hold your jaw shut, or if you're a Pro user they'll give you a few months. But after that, it's "That's a nice secure OS you got there. Be a shame if security patches were to stop showing up on account of some silly mistake like refusing to install our freely-offered and totally brilliant feature updates that you couldn't possibly not want. You seem like a reasonable guy who likes his OS to be secure. We know you'll make the right decision. We'll be back in 4 to 8 months. We hope you'll have chosen wisely..."


[–] just_signed_up 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Just a question. If I have Windows 7 Professional, and I upgrade to Windows 10, will it give me the professional edition or the home edition?


[–] C_IsForCookie 1 point 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

WHOA! Forced updates? I wasn't upgrading as it was, but this puts an extra emphasis on my decision.


[–] somerandomteen 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 


[–] Orbitrix 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

Only for Windows Home edition. What kinda newb has Windows home?


[–] bicubic 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Ok so there's a very good motivation for forced updates - to get some handle on the rampant botnets that plague Windows due to missed security updates. Forced updates are going to be a great thing on the whole.

At the same time, I definitely share your concerns about forced updates being able to load unwanted software etc. onto your computer. Updates of any kind require you to trust the source, and in the "post Snowden" world, it's very hard to trust any US-based software vendor.

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