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[–] bobroland 0 points 115 points (+115|-0) ago 

We really don't have enough data yet. Economic policies typically don't show results for at least a year or two. In this case, it should be longer.

Here's what we have seen. Unemployment has not increased, although the growth of new jobs is slightly lower than the national average. The number of restaurants has shrunk by .1% and opposed to the previous years growth of +1.5%. I think it's fair to say that the scenario is not as bad as some feared, not as positive as others have advocated.

Now, the question is what are the long term ramifications? Even those who push for a minimum wage increase admit we simply don't know what impact a drastic rise will have.

I should point out my bias. I live in Buffalo, NY where the cost of living is low, but so are the wages. New York State, under pressure from New York City, is pushing to raise the minimum wage for only fast food workers to $15. That means that a person flipping burgers in Buffalo will make as much as an EMT, a starting system admin, an insurance adjuster and a starting teacher. This will hurt the working poor as those fast food jobs they rely upon will be grabbed by people with a higher level of education and training. So, that's where I stand on the issue, and use that knowledge to view my answer through an objective lense.

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[–] 06pbmKC 8 points 36 points (+44|-8) ago 

There are talks about it in Kansas City too. Wages here are very low, but our cost of living is very low too. They're pushing for $15/hr here and it is infuriating. The rest of the job market will not correct itself. It is devaluing the $40,000 I've spent on college.

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[–] babij 2 points 23 points (+25|-2) ago 

$40,000 is less than a year's tuition at my college...

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[–] FeralVoat 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

On the plus side, they will almost certainly need to raise the thresholds for what income levels are considered 'poverty'. If you're lucky, you'll suddenly qualify for benefits that weren't available to you before.

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[–] LoyalSol 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It's kinda depressing that as a graduate student in chemistry I was making $24,000 a year and to do that I had to take on extra work through a government agency. And I was making more than the national average. Yet at $15 an hour someone flipping burgers or weighing tables would be making a little under $30,000 a year.

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[–] voat-ist 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The good news is the inflation will make it easier to pay student loans...

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[–] Staross 7 points 10 points (+17|-7) ago  (edited ago)

Well we know some things from historical experience.

  • It doesn't affect growth on long time scales (which is mainly determined by technological progress and education)
  • It reduces revenue inequalities
  • If it's applied only in a small geographical region some might lose and some might win. It creates fluxes at the boundary. These sort of measures are usually better country wise for that reason.

Source: Piketty's Capital in the Twenty-First Century

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[–] waldojim42 4 points 27 points (+31|-4) ago 

I'm sorry, but "reduces revenue inequalities" sounds like hippy speak for "they didn't bother getting educated or learning a skill, but they make as much as your skilled position does."

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[–] Meph 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

New York State, under pressure from New York City, is pushing to raise the minimum wage for only fast food workers to $15.

To add to this, and your point that followed.

1) You are correct, $15/hr means higher educated people will likely say fuck it and go for those jobs. Especially since many of them aren't finding jobs anyways, or at least not jobs in their chosen field of study. Which means it'll be an employers market, so they can pick and choose from a larger pool of potential employees. This will inevitably push out the lower-skilled and uneducated since obviously much better candidates are available to hire. (edit not all people, most EMTs for an example do their job because of passion moreso than money, and they require constant education and re-evaluation, so it's not something you can just leave for a couple years then say you want back in. The issue will be more with those who have 2-4 year degrees collecting dust)

2) The $15/hr wage is going to be the catalyst of the Automation to come to the food service industry. The wage of a cashier will now be greater than the cost of a tablet, including maintenance and replacements. Prepare to see McDonald's with automated ordering soon. Cooking is a little trickier and more expensive, that's still coming, but won't be as rapid as the automated ordering. Currently McD's and other places have been merely dabbling around with their tablets replacing workers, doing trial runs at select locations. This wage increase will change that and make it widespread implementation.

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[–] KillerMech 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Why would someone with a higher level of education grab a fast food job just because it pays the same as an entry level job they they trained/went to school for? When you train or go to school for something you are working towards a career you want. Flipping burgers doesn't help you advance in the EMT or sys admin career fields.

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[–] bobroland 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

I don't know. There have been many a time in my life where the notion of washing dishes for a large enough salary seemed a great deal better than going to meetings and working in an office, you know?

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[–] veetack 23 points 42 points (+65|-23) ago  (edited ago)

Republican here. Because of the $15 minimum wage, the cost has been passed on to me, therefore I no longer tip my servers or bartenders. /s

Just kidding. I'm not a Seattle resident or a Republican, but this is the BS I'm seeing all over FB

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[–] DingleMyCringle 0 points 72 points (+72|-0) ago 

Wait... We don't have to tip anymore if $15/hr becomes a thing? Shit, it's got my vote.

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[–] PIK-SHOE 0 points 68 points (+68|-0) ago 

See: Europe

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[–] defiantKITTY 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

It's a little more complicated because there are multiple minimum wages, there's one for non-tipped employees and tipped employees. Currently, the federal minimum for tipped employees is $2.13, but that is contingent on the employee receiving at least $30/month in tips.

I'm not sure about the specifics of the various $15 min wage proposals, and whether it's meant to replace all min wages, or just non-tipped, but either way I think it will be interesting to see if the culture of tipping will be affected by these changes.

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[–] K-Anne-R 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Actually, I had read an article that a lot of restaurant owners had started advocating not tipping based on the law and how they wanted to configure their menu to make paying their staff $15/hr feasible.

"Bob Donegan, the president of Ivar's, which runs a chain of fish and chip shops, says the company has increased its prices. At Ivar's Salmon House, for instance, one of the company's sit-down restaurants, the price for all menu items increased 21 percent in April.

"Alaska coho that's today $34, last week would have been $28," Donegan says. "So that meal that last year cost you $100, today costs you $121."

The catch is that when diners pay the bill, they are no longer expected to leave a tip: it's included. The big price increase will allow the Salmon House to start paying a $15-an-hour minimum wage immediately, three years ahead of schedule.

"It's very early, but so far it's working OK," Donegan says.

Many restaurants in the city are watching Ivar's to see if the changes work and if they should follow suit, he says. But not every restaurant is in a position to experiment." From NPR

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[–] Woohhaa 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Would workers who had previously worked for tips in the past be paid the minimum wage? If so would the tradition of tipping really be phased out?

I know no one knows about the second part but I'm seriously curious what other people think.

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[–] Questionssm 4 points 35 points (+39|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Lets be honest, Anyone who said they are going to stop tipping never tipped anyway.

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[–] CryHavoc 5 points 10 points (+15|-5) ago 

This is absolutely wrong. Historically, wait persons and bussers have relied on tips for the majority of their wages. There was a definite reason to consider the tip as part of the cost of the meal. You can include bartenders here also.

But if I know they're making $30k per year, then I'm not tipping. Because the additional cost of that wage increase is most likely added into the food or drink.

Odds are that most will move to a straight 10% service charge to compensate and mitigate the increased in the menu prices. End result in cost will be the same but psychologically it will be better. Pretty much the way many other countries do it.

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[–] Didymus 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Why would you tip someone with a good paying job for doing that job? The whole guilt trip about tipping is "The restaurants don't pay them enough so we have to supplement that." Now they are being paid a "living wage" so why do customers have to continue to subsidize workers?

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[–] voltapizzle 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Okay. This shit is pretty simple. Tipping, in places where tipped jobs get paid less (many states have a much lower minimum wage, some between $2-3), allows the customer to be the "boss". Instead of one person trying to manage and watch and incentivize a bunch of employees, every single table gets to be their server's "boss". Menu prices are cheaper because the waitstaff is paid significantly less, and thus the overhead is much lower.

So you can either tip and get better service, or pay more for your food, effectively the same amount of money, and get worse service.

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[–] Zenhael 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I don't believe in tipping.

Edit: lol, downvoated? I'm sorry to hear about your deceased sense of humor, whoever you are.

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[–] JJNova 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Cough up the buck, ya cheap bastard, I paid for your goddamn breakfast.

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[–] pimpboy_3billion 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

I will assume you eat fast food or home cooked meals only.

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[–] N2theoah 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Do you know the phase in timeline? Its like 5 years right?

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[–] bulksalty 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

See this chart. I believe the two generic schedules have a break point of 500 employees.

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[–] ofthehours 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

This is actually not true. business with 100 or more employees (or franchise stores) need to pay $15, been that way since April. For small business they have an extra year to work out payroll and such (April 2016)

It's already started, I've noticed the increase in the bill :/

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[–] dv1155 18 points 0 points (+18|-18) ago 

The left always phases in their most destructive policies slowly to escape blame when the whole thing colapses. See also Obamacare.

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[–] keeganspeck 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

What the hell are you talking about?

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[–] brainbaobao 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

When you see something like

The <political leanings> always ....

Never take it seriously.

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[–] Mr_Quagmire 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

How is Obamacare destructive?

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[–] WatchItBend 1 points 27 points (+28|-1) ago 

Seattleite here! Currently, the minimum wage is actually at $11/hr (it differs based on size, schedule here ). Personally, I've been effected both positively and negatively by the increases. I lost my first job (a chain restaurant that was losing popularity) shortly before the first round of increases because the shop wasn't making enough money for the owner to justify paying more. However, the first increase happened during my job search and I noticed that there were actually more positions open after April 1, including my current job.

All things said, I'm not an economist, I'm a minimum wage slave. It's likely too early to tell what the overall ramifications of the increases are, but on a personal level I can breathe a lot easier come rent day.

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[–] radamhadameal [S] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

This has so far been the most helpful comment. I appreciate your neutral approach.

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[–] wuziwu 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

for that makes it all worth it. :/ i too was a minium wage slave at one time. It took a paycheck and a half to cover my rent. I was in tears trying to figure out how i was going to eat and get to work.

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[–] percysaprat 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Same thing is happening all over the West Coast; San Francisco, Berkeley, Oakland, San Jose, Monterrey, and even shitty Sacramento are all hitting, or about to hit the roof. They all have room for the tech industry, and all the tech jocks making decent money have raised the price of living; some peoples rent in San Fran has almost double what it was a decade ago. There is a long flood of the better off as Silicon Valley spreads, and prices are being raised to what the wealthier can pay. People are being squeezed out of homes they have lived in for decades to make room for the new tech giants. The whole West Coast is about to become a fucking boom town.

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[–] zambeezy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

So the cost of living is high and the minimum wage is also high?

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[–] killbotgamma 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

And the residents are also high

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[–] Exastii 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If I plan to move to Seattle, should I do it by the end of this year, or would it not matter if I waited a bit longer?

I'm moving there to get into the pot business. Would Oregon be a better choice?

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[–] pinkie31459 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I've been thinking of moving to seattle- my boyfriend is in the tech industry. I'm in nursing, how is seattle doing medical wise?

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[–] santovendetta 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I live in Redmond, just outside of Seattle and the minimum wage here has not increased. The biggest thing I have noticed is how hard it has become to hire people for service jobs. The cost of living is extremely high in Redmond and no one wants to live or commute here to work retail for $10 an hour when they can work the same job in Seattle for much more.

I don't know if that is good or bad in the long term, it is just what I have noticed. Also the wages are not fully at $15 yet. It is a slow increase over a few years, though some businesses (like McDonald's) jumped the gun and went straight to $15.

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[–] ofthehours 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

If you live in Redmond why aren't you just working at Microsoft :)

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[–] santovendetta 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

The sad thing is that I am. The campus is full of receptionists, security guards, cafe staff, janitors, and tons of other service people struggling to get by in Redmond or comutting each way. Not even all the tech people fare better, a lot of them are contractors from another vendor company. They are paid much better, but forced to take 100 days off every year they work.

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[–] Dash-o-Salt 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I also live in Redmond, I do Software Development, but I do not work for Microsoft. This area is definitely a boom town. The only way I managed to purchase my house for a reasonable price was due to the fact that I did it several years ago right when the housing market crash started to wear off and I purchased a short sale. Otherwise, everything was pretty much out of my budget unless I wanted to put myself in debt up to my eyeballs (which I'm sure plenty of people do).

Otherwise, housing is way, way too expensive. Prices are skyrocketing due to the tech industry, and sooner or later there will be a crash. I'm just not sure when that might happen - probably not in the near term future. And possibly not for many more years.

While it remains this way anybody in the service industry is going to find it more and more difficult to survive in this area. The traffic seems to get worse every year as more and more people get pushed out of the cities due to rising costs...I just feel as though something is going to burst at the seams sooner or later - the light rail really won't get done in time to prevent it from happening, especially with how slowly infrastructure is built around here...

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[–] digitalgadget 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yep! None of my coworkers can afford to live near our business. They all have shitty commutes.

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[–] ofthehours 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Seattle folk here (Wallingford area) although I moved to NY a couple weeks ago. Most of Seattle is still sleeping :)

Going to big restaurants or chains is noticeable more expensive (but it's not exactly the end of the world). Smaller business still have a year before they need to pay $15 so they tend to be a little cheaper now. I eat healthier now as I don't go out as much, and when I do I make sure to support small businesses.

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[–] takshis 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I hate to think raising minimum wage would make those cheap eats/hole in the walls not so cheap anymore.

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[–] Notorious_BIG 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It's still 6:00AM in Seattle. It'll be a few hours before they start rolling in.

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[–] toastedknuts 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The whole taking a cut in hours to stay qualified for section 8 may be bad in a sense but if enough people do the same type of thing, even if just to work less hours because why the fuck not, then theoretically some of these bushiness may require more staff to offset the loss in labour which means less unemployment. Plus it could more easily guide society into the mass loss of labour required as tech gets better and algorithms and robotics TAKE OVER!

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