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[–] DrLix 2 points 29 points (+31|-2) ago 

Personally I think the best rule is what's between your legs at the current moment should dictate which you use.

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[–] Level_Cannon 1 point 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

I think the difference is bathroom vs. locker room. In a bathroom, if a man identifies as a woman then she can go into a woman's restroom and use a stall. No one would see her genitals. In a locker room, then it would be a naked male walking around, regardless of what she/he identifies as. That is the distinction I would make.

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[–] DrLix ago 

hmmm. I'm not sure I totally agree with you on the bathroom thing. I mean if you have a dingaling there are things in the male bathroom that are specifically designed for that. If a woman identifies as a man I'm not sure she would really be able to use the facilities as they are designed. That being said I don't really care enough to ban/force people into certain areas. Just if I had to pick a side that's what I would go with.

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[–] m4tthew 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Yes. Sex, not gender determines which bathroom/locker room/shower is used.

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[–] AVEN_39 2 points 1 point (+3|-2) ago 

^ This, that way people can't say: "I'm transgender let me see yer bathroom"

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[–] RevRiot 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's not at all true. You're going to ask to see a person's genitals before you let them use one bathroom or another? More than likely you're basing the decision on what they're wearing and the way they otherwise appear outwardly. Which may or may not match what they have between their legs.

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[–] fatpeoplesuck ago 

Should a person who identifies as a different race be able to put it on a college application.

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[–] DrLix 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If they have undergone surgery to alter their race, then inline with my comment, yes. That being said I don't think college's should ask students their race.

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[–] TheHoochIsCrazy 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

Ask yourself this: should lesbians be allowed in the locker room? If transgender people identify with that particular gender then yes, of course. To be fair, I think them having to go into the men's locker room would create a lot more problems.

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[–] Jimic79 3 points 1 point (+4|-3) ago 

Hey, I have an idea! Why don't we stop this barbaric "everyone of the same gender gets naked" and make it more private... I agree with Level_Cannon above, that in bathrooms, either way, they use the stall. Let's make it the same for locker rooms. Add a little changing stall in front of the shower stall. Bam, no more unnecessary nakedness.

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[–] TheHoochIsCrazy 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

or people can just realize it is a locker room/shower room and nudity is no big deal ?

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[–] revolve 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Being naked is not barbaric. It's natural. Nudity is only a big deal if people make it so.

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[–] jinks13 1 point 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Aren't changing room across Europe mostly unisex any way. I know here in the UK unisex changing rooms are starting to pop up. What I'm trying to get at is I don't think its a problem, Trans people should be able to use what ever changing rooms they want.

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[–] McDoku 1 point 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

I tend to agree on the uinisex thing. People need to chill and not make nudity such a big deal.

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[–] jinks13 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

You're preaching to the choir brother. It drives me crazy when it's ok for the news to show violence and murder any time of the day, but the human form is apparently something so horrid it shouldn't be seen.

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[–] SybilVimes 1 point 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Does it really matter? What is it that they are supposed to be doing that is terrifying? Maybe eying other women sexually? Lesbians already have the legal right to the bathrooms and could possibly do this. Attacking other women in the showers? Most bathrooms/locker rooms aren't the most secured and there is little that would prevent a man from coming in and doing the same.

I don't have any problem with sharing facilities with transgender women. If they act like assholes, though, they should be booted just as fast as any other woman that does the same.

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[–] Level_Cannon 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

My only issue is with a guy walking around naked in a woman's locker room and vice versa. In bathrooms, at least there is privacy so that no one would see a person's genitals but in a locker room it is a lot less private.

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[–] Mr_Quagmire 3 points 6 points (+9|-3) ago 

Your question is assuming that there is something inherently wrong about viewing or being in the same room with other unclothed humans. If we as a society could get over that immature premise then none of this would be an issue.

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[–] dontfeedthehipsters 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

There are a couple of problems with that though. First sex is used so much for marketing that we are ingrained with the idea. Other countries have over come this barrier but the US seems far away thanks to marketing and also I think pop culture. There needs to be more respect for people different than you in music and other forms of entertainment.

The other problem is maturity like you said. I'm in my 30's so high school was a while ago but I can only imagine the problems that sharing locker rooms with people who look and or identify with a different sex. The main problem is because high school students are immature. These days i'd change in front of anybody and not care either way. But 16 year old me is another story.

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[–] Ralesblasband 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Make them all unisex, with individual locking stalls, or both.

Personally, I don't care who sees me changing in a locker room, and I don't care who I see.

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[–] FeralVoat [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Might seem like a troll, but I'm really trying to determine where the limits are going to be in the next few years.

What if they identify as a woman, but look for all the world like a cis-male? What if they also are sexually attracted exclusively to women (e.g. current Netflix series includes a lesbian transgender woman (biological male))

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[–] Greasetrap 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Your first question wouldn't happen to most transgender women (actual. Anyone can pretend obviously). Not looking, dressing, our feeling female would feel wrong and anxiety producing to them, so 'looking for all the world cis-male' is extremely unlikely for an already very small demographic. All that is to say. Not likely.

Your second question makes no sense if you remember lesbian and big women. If that was actually a concern we would have heard of and assessed it already, and this is just more of the same of that.

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[–] Vhaine 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Who's to say who gets to use what? We don't brand LBGT people with scarlet letters in this country. So what's to stop straight Johnny Perv-A-Lot from claiming he's transgender just to squat in the girls locker room all day at the yoga gym? There's no way to distinguish between creepy perv guy and actual transgendered other then by self identification. Until there is a definitive way for someone to establish their gender in an official capacity, the correct answer is ending communal bathrooms and locker rooms altogether. I don't think anyone really enjoys showering with random fat old people in the first place. So it's an idea who's time has come.

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