[–] Crikes 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

More often than not, contracts don't accurately represent agreements made. Not usually intentionally, either, though there is that too. People just use forms that may or may not represent the contract correctly.

Don't take it on faith that a document says what it seems it should say, or what others believe it to say. Read carefully. Seek council if you don't understand.

Also, have a clear idea of what you will and won't do. What you're involved for. Don't be afraid to ask for time to consider.

Good luck!

[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thank you for that, that was exactly why i got on here.

[–] onikage 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yes, get them to type it up and review it, sign it if it looks correct.

But remember the only real card to play as an employee is quitting. So if you are going to negotiate hard, keep that in mind.

[–] TheGrandMaster 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

But quitting by itself gives you no leverage. If you want to leverage an offer up higher, you need other offers. Otherwise if you lie and say you have higher offers, they may just drop you.

I've also seen companies agree to give you the higher pay, but because you leveraged the offer, they fire you two months later.

If you're going to leverage, have a backup.

[–] onikage 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Exactly. I was hoping to imply that. It is the only leverage you really have and you you have to be willing to play it if you are negotiating hard.

Now, as you point out, if your skills are not in high demand it can be extremely risky to play the implied resignation card.

The alternative is to lose in the negotiation. You'll still have a job, but you won't have whatever it is you were negotiating for. Thus, weakening your future negotiating position as well.

[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I dont wanna quit. . . . I make good decent money, man.

[–] onikage 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Don't then. Especially if you like your job.

I'm merely trying to point out that if you say to them i want {x} and they say no what can you do about it?

1] accept it and continue on

2] negotiate for something else

3] tell them you'll leave to get it somewhere else

It just matters how critical what you are negotiating for is.

Leaving all that aside, no matter what is agreed to, make sure you get it in writing.

I'm just commenting in generalities since i know nothing about your situation. Sounds like you are pretty happy there.

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[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

So, Sous-Chef's are just glorified Kitchen Managers and the going rate around here is between 36-52k (huge pay discrepancy some dudes can make upwards of 70-80k depending on the volume.)

[–] ledbetter 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yeah, never proceed, and never, ever sign without legal review that you have engaged. Contract Law can be a puzzle that only legal beagles understand. This is NOT by mistake. The other side uses the technique to their advantage. They want you to sign up for their terms. Why would you do that?

[–] EpiPendemic 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Congrats! You will figure it out fake it till you make it?

[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Hah! I wish, brother! Fine dining there is no faking it. You're either good or you're not; your work speaks for itself.

[–] zxcvzxcv 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

All ways have two offers so that you are negotiating from a position of power. You should have applied to other jobs if you knew a re-negotiation of your contract was coming up. Having an alternative position forces them to give you the best offer they can afford, rather than forcing you to take whatever they will give you.

[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I have a standing off at another restaurant but id rather not leave. I get along great with my head chef, i have full say on menu items, ordering, etc., it really is a great gig. The other offer is from the first fine dining restaurant i ever worked at; coincidentally enough its the same place that made me leave the kitchen to try and find other trades to try and find myself and what i wanted to do for a living.

[–] cthulian_axioms 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yes. You should avoid contracts like the plague. Words are wind, and contracts are breached all the fucking time. If the breaching party is higher on the power ladder than the non-breaching party, the contract will not be enforced. If the one higher on the ladder takes a disliking to the one lower on the ladder, the contract will become a tool of abuse.

TLDR: Anyone who makes you sign a contract is trying to fuck you somehow. The law doesn't matter one bit. There is only one law, and that's the law of power. Don't work for anyone who makes you sign a contract.

[–] The_Duke_of_Dabs [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I dont HAVE to sign a contract; I just wanted to see if I needed anything in writing to make sure i get what Im asking for.

[–] cthulian_axioms 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The only way to make sure you get what you're asking for is to make the other person want to give it to you. Some methods of doing this are better than others. You can, for example, make a person want to give you what you want by putting a gun to his head, but that generally gets you into trouble if you're the one who's lower on the power ladder. You could threaten to quit, if you wager that the other person will want to give you what you want more than they will want to find someone else to take your place. You could figure out what the other person's weaknesses are, and exploit them to your advantage. I don't know you or the other person, so I don't know what the best course of action would be; but "getting it in writing" is sure as shit not the way. That's just you begging to get fucked.

To reiterate: the only way to get what you want is to make the other person want to give it to you.

[–] C_Corax 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

ALLWAYS GET A CONTRACT!!

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